Thank you, Barney Frank!
POSTED BY: Kwicko
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 22:08
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Originally posted by rue:
I thought there would be more threads about Robert Novak. I read a number of posts elsewhere that said - good riddance to bad rubbish. And a few that said - why would you be happy someone is dead ?
There is a point to this: sometimes it's good to speak the plain truth - no matter how uncomfortable of unfriendly it may seem.
Why SHOULDN'T Barney Frank call out the liars ?
I say HELL YES ! Go for it, man !
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Silence is consent.
Bingo. Since when is it rude to tell someone who's lying that they're lying? I mean, isn't the lying rude in the first place?
It drives me bonkers to listen to politicians mumbling these little half-hearted corrections, almost as if they're apologizing. "Well, I think my esteemed colleague is mistaken..." "I'm afraid my good friend here has been misinformed..." "My opponent misspoke by saying that..."
Bullshit. Call it, and call 'em on it. "That's a lie, sir, and you know it." "Excuse me, ma'am, but you're spreading untruths." "Why are you lying to me about this?" "You need to get some better sources for your information, because your current ones are liars and hacks. By their own words, they're neither journalists nor reporters, but entertainers[i/] who don't think they should be responsible for the things they say."
Mike
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Mike,
And rightly so, but you should mistrust all modern healthcare. The world's number one human killer is socialized medicine, statistics are clear, but second is for profit healthcare, followed by democide. It's safe to say that healthcare and govt. are in a close match for worst threats, when they get together, it's a disaster. The world's best healthcare, statistically, is indian ayurvedics, witchdoctors in general do better than doctors, the world's worst healthcare system is the soviet system, but africa has some doozies.
Interesting comment on the age factor, I haven't thought about it in a while. I'm guessing BM is a fair amount younger.
Rip, Niki
Not to butt in, but word of advice... Skip the partisan debate, it's a waste of time.
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SPOOKI
The woman Frank was chastising is a dumb/ignorant lib not a conservative.
Not that I care, but it does make the story more interesting, so: source?
Frem,
Yes, I believe your HD is full of cat pics, I think you've posted a number of them, Faeries? (kudos on the correct spelling)
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Dream: Not at all, thing is you misunderstood where I was going with that.
There ISN'T some great grand conspiracy, any more than a bunch of crabs walking in lockstep is a hivemind.
But because they respond identically to the same stimulus, it can look that way - yet in truth it's not one big plot but a whole bunch of smaller ones all run by people who think much the same compounded by petty turf issues, office politics, ass covering and general human jackassery, which is why it is both so exploitable and so terribly inefficient.
I think we look at this one differently. I see this sort of operation in layers:
1. There's the research layer. In this case, these guys are ace cancer researchers, and their contribution can save lives, including my own. Don't think I didn't take apart what they did and start analyzing it right away and seeing how to apply it, I did, I FWDed it to some friends of mine and we started working on alternate solutions (an applicable solution to the sick would be more useful than a vaccine)
2. There's the parent company. These are businessmen, and they are about money, they fund, and want some product they can sell. In this case, Merck, is always manipulating every angle for the most bang for their buck. They've done so much bad science in the past that I think the leadership here doesn't know what they're doing except for one thing: They know it's more profitable to buy a politician than to do better testing. They cut corners and hire k-street hacks.
3. The delivery system, which is the medical establishment. They're generally of borderline competence, and understand far less science than you would think. I rarely have a doctor who understands the subject better than I do, and when I find one, I cling to him, because these guys are assets. The fakers should be identified and dropped immediately. You don't need to be a scientist to do so, you just need to know the right questions to ask. If a psychiatrist stares at you blankly when you talk about receptor sensitivity, or gives you psychological explanations for memory loss, move on, find someone else.
In this case, I'd say I'm sure that the fuck ups were in groups 2 and 3. Specifically I can tell you that the immune reponse problem, which was the majority of deaths, was the result of the moron who changed the target age group without retesting. I suspect this moron was at Merck. Anyone with the virus who then got the vaccine would go into shock. That's a given. No 7-10yo would have the virus, so none in the initial testing group showed this reaction. If someone had seen this, they would have known to lower the dose or change the venue from shot to pill or patch.
Group three, the misconduct may have caused some of the above, but was certainly responsible for the secondary infections like meningitis, or any combo-vaccine problems.
The person here who really understands this subject well besides myself is Kathy. If you are not sure of the science
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Catalonia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia
Re: Faeries.
Yes, well, one of my ex's had a thing for Fae, given she practically was one, and it was no great benefit to our relationship that when it came right down to it we were on opposing sides of that belief, given that she was Seelie and I happen to be Unseelie, since I am a Misanthrope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifications_of_fairies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy
And so, I found her collection of pictures useful for something, at least, we're talkin nausea inducing, here.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TastesLikeDiabetes
I always did attract the crazy ones, and dealin with me and my world does their sanity no favors at all, alas.
-F
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You can continue to be a liberal, but if you ask me, you're more of a libertarian.
You're probably right, but I decline to self-identify as such precisely because of the people who *claim* to be libertarian; I'd rather be thought of as a lefty loon than be associated with some of these so-called libertarians. From what I've seen, libertarians seem to lean pretty hard to the right on most issues, and when it comes to social issues, I veer pretty strongly left.
Mike
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Kwicko: The "war on terror" thing is actually why I had issues when we went into Afghanistan. Though I don't often say that, because people tend to get REALLY REALLY MAD when you say going into Afghanistan wasn't necessary. >_>
Exactly. If Bush had just come right out and said, "We's gonna hurt them sumbitches what hurted us." I'd have had more respect for him, both for his honesty and for his actually using a more-or-less complete sentence for the first time in his adult life. If he'd said we're taking Bin Laden no matter what, and we're not stopping until he's provably dead or captured, I feel that OBL would have been done with in a short amount of time. Either he'd have been ratted out, or he'd have turned up captured in some other little out-of-the-way country.
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I knew something was up when we did declared war on terror, not the Taliban, and turns out we never really had an exit plan. Plus, sneaking suspicion that Osama bin Laden is dead.
Sneaking suspicion and lack of a body makes for a perfect Goldstein, doesn't it? And I'm right there with ya.
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I painted a picture when I was in high school, a faded Osama bin Laden in front of the word "Terrorism" in big bold red letters, and called it "Endless War on a Faceless Ideal."
I'm pretty sure no one in my class got it. :/
I'm pretty sure you're right, on both counts.
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Once again, 1984, Brave New World, and Fahrenheit 451. Really, really should be required reading for any high school student, because they plainly show how war can be used to both distract and motivate the public, as well as economic stimulus. But then, we're not interested in making smart high school students with the ability to think critically.
Are they not required reading anymore? That makes me sad. Those books changed my world, even though I rebelled at the idea of being "made" to read ANY book. It's not that I don't love reading, it's just that I don't like being forced to read something; I'd rather come to it on my own.
That said, I'm damned glad these books WERE forced on me.
Mike
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SPOOKI
The woman Frank was chastising is a dumb/ignorant lib not a conservative.
Not that I care, but it does make the story more interesting, so: source?
Well, I don't know for certain how reputable this site is, but this seems to indicate that this woman was a supporter of Lyndon LaRouche - a supposed communist who has tried to associate himself as a Democrat.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/08/12/nbc-cnn-msnbc-all
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But I read elsewhere that the Democratic party wants nothing to do with him.
Be that as it may, if this is true, this woman is not a conservative as she is being made out to be.
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"What does that mean?!?!?!"
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Much like if someone like me were to say that a lot of liberals are brain-dead, pot-smoking hippie socialists. Obviously, that is not the case and I don't advocate that myself.
So what I'm saying is please don't make such broad generalizations.
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Or at least admit that there are also dumb, ignorant Dems who can't think for themselves either.
Ummmm... I take it you HAVE heard of Nancy Pelosi, yes? Harry Reid? Name ring a bell?
Niki, since you're newish 'round these parts, you should probably know that I pretty much despise Nancy and Harry, and consider them the root of what's WRONG with the Democratic party as a whole. That said, I *am* a pretty dyed-in-the-wool Democrat.
And while RIPWash and I are about 180º apart politically, we generally get along quite well in spite of our differences. Watch him, because he's disarming as hell, and quite respectful 99% of the time.
Mike
Aw shucks, ya big palooka! Right back atcha!
So you only denied one of those . . . you're too clear headed to be on the marijuana, but I'm still on the fence about you being a hippie . . . Socialist? Well . . . .
You and I have agreed on Pelosi and Reid. They're blemishes to be sure.
And as for your last statement. All I can say is that is a pretty big compliment and I appreciate it.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
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America is having a lot of trouble accepting change, especially the big change of a Black man in the White House. That's behind it for a lot of them; some are just dumb/ignorant Repubs who are incapable of thinking for themselves, some are ignorant people who mistrust the government whatever it does, etc.
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Some people who dislike Obama's policies aren't racists .
In fact most are not racists .
But that's a lie you can't let go of .
So , as you've said elsewhere about lies and the repeating of , keep it up .
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http://freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/1319/
You KNOW socialized health care is bad, when they are going to DETROIT to get treatment....
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http://freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/1319/
You KNOW socialized health care is bad, when they are going to DETROIT to get treatment....
Is that how you see it?
To me, it looks at least as likely that the hospitals are gladly taking in Canadians - and courting their business - because they know they'll get paid for services rendered - something they absolutely CAN NOT be assured of under the current American system, even if the Detroiters that come through the door are some of the few lucky enough to have "insurance".
Guess it's all in your point of view, eh?
My dad had cancer a couple years ago. His doctor sent him to Scott&White in Killeen for treatment. By your logic, that proves that the for-profit hospitals in both San Angelo and San Antonio are so bad that they have to send people to Killeen for basic treatment.
Is that what you're saying? Do hospitals and doctors not routinely send people to other places with more specialized abilities? If you travel across the country to the Mayo Clinic for treatment, does that prove that no other provider in the nation is worth having around or keeping open?
If I were the Canadian government, and there was a person under my care who would benefit from services that are available in Detroit that may not be readily available in Windsor, why wouldn't I send the patient there? You're saying I should just tell them to wait, and hopefully not die, while I build a specialized medical center to focus on their particular ailment?
Mike
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