Pirate News sould have posted this before I did....

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KWICKO

Sunday, August 9, 2009 1:13 AM

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I also know from experience that there ARE folks out there in th eworld who WOULD gladly cut your throats and take charge of your kidsfor no other reason then "you are not one of them".

And in my experience, they are called "Republicans" and "tea-baggers".

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So ,YES;I do support the intent (if not all of the planning and execution) of the GWOT.

What, exactly, IS the "intent" of the GWOT? To negotiate with terrorists, as we've so often seen done by "real" Americans like Reagan and Bush, all while claiming before the cameras that "we do not negotiate with terrorists"?

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I part company from them in a few areas;trt=ying to do it on the cheap,trying to go too light,trying not to involve or engage the population at large.

Some 2 TRILLION dollars in, and Iraq is "on the cheap" - I'd hate to see what would have happened had we done it on a money-is-no-object basis!

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In many ways the RINO's mirror the worst of the Dems-they try to convince us mere mortals that compiant helplessness is the same thing as safety.

In most ways, the RINOs mirror the rest of the Republican party - they try to convince us mere mortals that shooting and bombing everyone we don't agree with is the same thing as "security".

GRIPPER

Sunday, August 9, 2009 1:45 AM

"Intent " of the GWOT SHOULD simply be to kill the sons of bitches...unfortunately we had a freaking flashback to Powell's "stop it ,we are killing too mnay of them" for a while...the surge actually DID work,but things change.
I said then and still say that it is never worng to take out those who would kill you .And,contrary to a lot of what has been said,I DO believe that not all cultures have equal validity-case in point I do not believe that a culture that supports "honor killings " of rape victims or unwilling betrothals to b eone that holds the same validity as one that would defend the victim and put down the "honor killers"...
"Tea-baggers"??Uh no thanks,I like girls..and I do believe that the "Tea Party "movement is valid.
I DO think that more than half of our problems are of our own making-we discourage BOTH dometic oil drilling/refining AND real alternatives to fossil fuel(nukes) and we then are "simply socked" to find out that we are joined at the waist with the House of Saudi.e.folks who use us as an escape clause for the Wahabbist kooks AND a money laundry for the Occidentaal Petroleum types.
Yeah,I am pretty conservative as far as libetarians go...like I said ealrier -why pick leukemia over lung cancer????Thats what deciding between RINO's and Obamunists is.
As far as I am concerned,defending our OWN interests (and I include borders under the term interest) is not a bad thing...neither is killing those who would kill you ,impose either a Statist collective,or Sharia on you-dictaztorship is dictatorship in my book.The answere to "too much government " is not "more of the same".
Personally,I hope that if that WH ratline(RE diming out those us who disagree with policy/agendas)results in some form of awakening in the country-just becaus eyou were angry/disappointed with the Shrub does NOT mean a personality cult phenomemon is a good alternative.

ANTHONYT

Sunday, August 9, 2009 2:10 AM

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If it's any consolation - McCain would have been worse, seeing as Cheney would have been running the show behind the scenes - as is his normal practice.

You need to get with the groups who are fighting the legal basis for all of this: the EFF is the best one I can think of right now. Though you may find yourself uncomfortable rubbing elbows with so many damn lib'ruls.

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Silence is consent.

Hello Rue,

I'm not opposed to rubbing elbows with liberals. Or conservatives. Or the nutjobs in my preferred political group.

Everyone has something to offer. :-)

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

KWICKO

Sunday, August 9, 2009 2:11 AM

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I said then and still say that it is never worng to take out those who would kill you .

And I note for the record that by your logic, "THEY" aren't wrong to want to kill you, either. After all, if you want to kill them, they're "never worng" to want to kill you for that.

An eye for an eye, until the whole world is blind! Sounds like a wonderful strategy.

The only way this kind of attitude and behavior logically ends is when either they've killed all of "you", or you've killed all of "them". So apparently you have no real problem with genocide, as long as it's people who aren't you who are being killed.

GRIPPER

Sunday, August 9, 2009 2:36 AM

Genocide???I have no problem with any who don't want me dead...Or for that matter;who do not particularly like me.But intent and action??Return the favor,with interest.
Does this mean we should not try to "make friends"??Nope...but it does NOT mean we should accomodate demands/beleifs that will NOT do the same for us...
I am ALL for staying out of overseas entanglements ,where able...I am ALSO for NOT holding back on those who will not return the same courtesy,and can not even retsrain themselves from mudering their own countrymen who lack sufficient religious/ideological fervor.
Hell, look at THIS side of the world-just to our south,Mexico is imploding...an dwhat is the stated policy objective of many in charge here?To restrict AMERICAN firearms rights because Los Zetas are able to buy off or kll off their opposition.Does that mean I hate Mexico,or Mexicans?Nope,especially the one sin my family..but we can not seem to grasp when we should stay out of things(domestic-WOD;i.e end prohibition...OTOH,we seem to lve the idea of mindlessly deploying our troops and THEN telling them they are cops,not soldiers.HUH?WTF?
"WHole world blind"??I doubt it,but when you establish a few ground rules like "don't you EVER do that again!" via a few objet and effective lessons;so be it.We are VERY good at swinging a heavy hammer-don't get me wrong;I do NOT think thta the whole world is a nail...but when you DO reach for the hammer do NOT think it can be adapted to repair micro-circuitry-that is just plain overthinking it.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:53 AM

Umm, gripper ?

Since Mikey seems to be amusing himself by playin rope a dope with you, lemme put this in crystal clear focus for ya, in case you ain't gettin it.

To some people, particularly me, the ONLY appreciable difference between you, and the Taliban...

Is that you... are over HERE.
*measures out more rope*

-Frem

PS. And would it kill you to make at least some pretense of an effort to use proper english so you don't come off like some bellicose hayseed redneck fool enough to take pride in his own pathetic ignorance ?

GRIPPER

Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:51 PM

Me?Taliban??No,I kinda doubt it.
I can be a ruthless SOB when called upon or pushed,but using kids for cover???Nope...killing people for not agreeing with me?Nope...Beating on women for not agreeing with "whoever Pappy picks? Nope...The list could go on and on.
And if you can NOT see the difference;then I do feel sorry for you.
I STILL don't get how any who think that the answere to "too much gov't" is "more of the same".And I still fail to see how collateral damage(which the US military tries to avoid) is th esaame as deliberately targeting non-combatants.Hey ,I STILL don't get how allowing a dog to bark at someone constitutes torture either;at least when compared to taking amill-file to someone's teeth,or a hammer to their feet...so yeah;you MUST be the sharpest knife in the drawer.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Sunday, August 9, 2009 7:39 PM

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Originally posted by gripper:
"Intent " of the GWOT SHOULD simply be to kill the sons of bitches...

somewhere so long ago that I can no longer attribute it, I read a writer who wrote that once you start killing people just because they're sons-of-bitches it's hard to draw the line at where to stop. Today Osama Been-Hydin, tomorrow Teddy Kennedy or Sarah Palin? Next week Al Sharpton and Pat Buchanan? Your local banker or police chief? The opposition candidate for Mayor? A local businessman who deals very sharply on a labor contract or pollutes the local water supply? A local pimp or dealer or a tobacco company exec? Or a VP from BIg Pharma who pushes advertising to make a huge profit from a worthless or even harmful drug?

GRIPPER

Sunday, August 9, 2009 7:48 PM

Uh...did you happen to miss the part where I said you don't hurt people for mere disagreements???Come on,there IS a BIG difference between retaliation for violence and killing because your worldview/religious interpretation was offended.
Case in point-calling me a "teabagger"? Offensive as hell,both for the gutter reference and smearing a LOT of people who rightfully feel that we are all taxed enough already(too much,if you ask me).But did I call him out?Nope-I figure if he meant it as an insult ,then he is a punk.If not,no foul.
OTOH,when you have a person/group that has and continues to perpetrate violence on ANYONE not with the program;well they got to go.
THAT is the "SOB's I refer to when I say "just kill the SOBs".
Don't get me worng-insult me badly enough ;and I will throw with King Kong.But no,I do NOT mix my apples and oranges.

KWICKO

Monday, August 10, 2009 3:33 AM

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Me?Taliban??No,I kinda doubt it.

Point is, you DO seem to be acting pretty much like your own right-wing Taliban. You certainly seem to be carrying a huge chip on your shoulder, of the "kill-'em-all-if-they-don't-believe-like-I-do" variety.

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I can be a ruthless SOB when called upon or pushed,but using kids for cover???Nope...killing people for not agreeing with me?

Well, at least not until after you've labeled them as "terrorists"...

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Nope...Beating on women for not agreeing with "whoever Pappy picks? Nope...The list could go on and on.
And if you can NOT see the difference;then I do feel sorry for you.

So you don't think there are wife-beaters in this country? Or is it okay as long as they call themselves "christians"?

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I STILL don't get how any who think that the answere to "too much gov't" is "more of the same".

1) Where have you heard me say "too much gov't"?

2) "More of the same" is the same as "stay the course", isn't it? Now, who was famous for repeating that old canard over and over and over and over and over and over? Dang, I forget the name, who WAS that guy. Used to be President, got off on blowin' shit up, wasn't very bright, but was proud of being not very bright. What WAS that dude's name?

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And I still fail to see how collateral damage(which the US military tries to avoid) is th esaame as deliberately targeting non-combatants.

Maybe you should ask Blackwater about that. They seem to have rather more fuzzy notions about targeting non-combatants.

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Hey ,I STILL don't get how allowing a dog to bark at someone constitutes torture either;at least when compared to taking amill-file to someone's teeth,or a hammer to their feet...so yeah;you MUST be the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Well, SOMEBODY must be the sharpest knife in the drawer, and it's a safe bet it's not you. You seem to think the worst thing we did to prisoners was let a dog bark at them. By that rationale, the worst thing the Taliban did to anybody was videotape them! Hey, if you just ignore and leave out the truly barbaric shit, they don't seem any worse than our guys who do the same thing, do they?

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