May the Gods forgive us.
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1a) I disagree about Lincoln... if he had not of been killed, any post war reconciliation would have been that much more difficult, as well as he would have had to have taken the blame for many of the post war problems.. as would have been fair.
1b) I disagree here as well, using Kennedy as an example, I think Kennedy would also have been viewed by history quite differently had he lived, and by that I don't mean in a good way
2a) But by large you will admit Americans are terrified to deal with other countrys with equal arms right?
2b) " Fortunately, there are powerful political and ecological considerations that conspire to make sure that the use of Nukes is almost always the wrong decision. "
This would limit the foreign policy of the US as it counters the threat of invasion / attack or airstrike as the threat of retaliation would be great... or perhaps that is the objection
" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "
" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson
Lets party like its 1939
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Hello Gino,
I must reassert my objection to your premise. Assassination does not in and of itself elevate historical opinion. One would be hard pressed to find many in the nation today who hold fond feeling or esteem or even any strong opinion at all for Presidents Garfield and Mckinley. Assassination was clearly not the public relations coup that might be hoped for in their cases.
You might say that assassination prevents someone from making inevitable mistakes that would come to ruin good public opinion, but saying so also involves prophecy that such mistakes would have been made, and that they would have outweighed potential successes. For all we know, Lincoln might have handled reunification brilliantly. Or he might have been soiled by the process. We can't know for certain. In any event, assassination stops the clock on opinion, but it is not the guarantor or creator of it.
I think, of course, that most Americans would prefer that no one in the world had the power to harm them. So yes, most Americans prefer to hold all the cards, even the nuclear ones.
However, I like the idea that one nation can not simply go marauding through the world and do what it wants without any consideration. We do enough marauding as it is, and I'm not happy with it. Even if I hold the U.S. to be my favorite nation, it does not mean I want to see it become a completely unrestrained monstrosity able to inflict upon the nations its every whimsy.
I suppose with my support for Free Trade and decreased foreign entanglements, I am a very old fashioned fuddy duddy of the pre-WWII variety, despite my more contemporary birthdate. As such, you really can't ascribe my opinions to the majority of Americans.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Honda driver.
99 Oldsmobile Alero, nitwit, which you'd know if you ever paid attention to anything but your own ego, and it happens to be a rattletrap piece of junk filed under lemon law TWICE, by two different owners, for three different causes.
And just what the hell is "american made" regarding a car assembled in mexico with chinese parts anyway?
(Lookin at YOU, Ford!)
If wanted a decent american made car, I'd buy a fucking Nissan, you nitwit.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,451002-1,00.html
And who knows, the brakes might actually WORK for more than 3500 miles, too.
http://www.gmproblems.com/brakes.htm
"51% of Oldsmobile Alero owners reported problems with their brakes or rotors."
Oh, and that flag you're waving in your pedantic little hypernationalist frenzy there, kiddo ?
Most likely made in China, especially if it has no country of origin and is labelled "Distributed By (random american based shell company)" in order to conceal that fact.
Jerk.
-Frem
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Hello,
This response reminds me of a game called Star Control 2.
In it, there was a race of aliens called the P'kunk.
They were a spiritual people who charged their ships' batteries by absorbing the anger of their opponents. Their starship's 'special function' was to shout epithets like, "Jerk! Nitwit!" over the communications system, which provoked the energizing response.
They could also potentially resurrect themselves from the dead, which was at least an equally impressive skill.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Frem, I think PirateCrap was aiming the "Honda driver" remark at me, as if he thought it was supposed to be an insult.
And yes, I *am* a Honda driver; have been for more than 20 years now. Currently down to three of 'em. My daily-driver is a 5-speed Accord Wagon that was made right up in Hero's neck of the woods, in Honda's Marysville, Ohio plant. In fact, if you own a Honda Accord station wagon anywhere in the world, it was built in that plant.
'Course, if you own a Camaro or Firebird built after at least 1982, it was made in Canada.
So much for "Buy American!", eh, hosers?
If you think you own an "American" car, you're probably wrong. As I'm sure Fremdfirma can confirm, we don't build shit in this country any more, especially cars in any kind of quantity. Hell, even the beloved Ford F150 pickup is built in Mexico, Venezuela, Canada, and Brazil nowadays. But don't let that stop you from slamming a giant 'Murrican flag and a big set o' TrukNutz on it and yelling "I'm proud to be an AMERICAN!" while you drive it down to the unemployment office!
Mike
Sweeping generalizations are always wrong!
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Hello,
On the topic of 'buying American'...
The best thing you can do for America is to buy the best product you can at the best price available. That is the American way, and anyone who tells you differently is a socialist. ;-)
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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I think the Federal Govt. of the United States, a small parasite which sits on a microstate we commonly call "the mall" an untouchable sovereign nation by which we allow ourselves to be led has never had the interests of the american people or anyone else at heart.
I just wanted to define "Us."
If you mean a capital "US" then, no, they won't. Neither will Japan or history.
I have to agree with Frem, in reference to the use of the phrase "one act" as refering to a singular act, then yes, it stands alone, almost, except for the fact that we did it twice.
I will ignore the surrender monkeys which is their due. Surrender was already under discussion. The US knew that "we" could never take Japan. This was about "their" empire, which was the surrender, that of Imperial Japan. The sovereignty of the island nation of Japan was never in question. It still ranks as one of three nations in the world the Pentagon claims that it could under no circumstances defeat. Everyone can name the other two.
Under Arch-traitor Harry Truman, the US intentionally targeted a civilian population in an act of terrorism unparalleled by any individual act committed by anyone, if only for the singularity of intent, unwavering purpose and execution, which put it above things like the demolition of a dam, I don't remember the name, in China in WWII, which caught the Japanese soldiers it was intended to catch, and killed 100s of thousands of Chinese civilians.
But beyond that, it unleashed a new era of total destruction of all life.
I recently read a history of a girls' school that was close to ground zero, which followed a girl up to the day of her vaporization, along with everyone she had ever known.
Only the bamboo survived. This is perhaps our fate. We will enter the fossil record as a natural disaster of mass extinction, accomplishing nothing, and overrun by grasses and forests as our so called civilization sinks beneath the Earth, like who knows how many before us...
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it unleashed a new era of total destruction of all life.
Again, that being my exact point.
Re: Star Control II.
Damned Ironic that when I typed that it was indeed the Pkunk I had in mind!
WORM!
They're an offshoot of the Yehat, actually, and the snarky racial tendancies extend even to physical characteristics, with their bill giving them a permanent smirk and an abnormally long middle finger - being avian in nature, I guess "giving them the bird" takes on a whole new aspect that way.
Especially with their even worse habit of not STAYING dead, they're like the living racial embodiment of snark, hehehehe.
-F
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Star Control is awesome.
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he prayed to the Gods of the Hindu Street Shitter?
"Now I Am Become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" - J. Robert Oppenheimer
strange that Nagasaki was a Christian city
not sure if Truman believed, he used to wear those red masonic hats with islamo Moon type symbols with all the other political elites and celebrity of that time
Full text of A-bomb survivor's Pledge for Peace on 80th anniversary of Nagasaki bombing
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20250808/p2g/00m/0na/044000c
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