Blackwater: the scum also rises
POSTED BY: deadlockvictim
UPDATED: Friday, August 15, 2025 14:15
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Mercs themselves aren't necessarily cretins, mind you - Jerry Pournelle writes an excellent piece regarding this matter here, which is also the preface to the original Hammers Slammers novel.
http://jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/virtue.html
That said, Blackwater is complete scum, mostly cause of the manner and method of it's founding, as a deniable strongarm for certain political elements within our little totalitarian oligarchy we pretend is a constitutional republic - and because of their heavy connections with the mil-industrial-intel goons, if they can't dodge the bullet for this one, Erik is gonna be a good little soldier like Oliver North and fall on his sword for his masters.
One could hope this fails, and certain of those connections, and the operations carried out because of them, hinted at elsewhere here and there, should come to light - but I don't hold out much hope given just how high the stakes are.
-F
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Operation Northwoods and Operation Mongoose used lots of contractors...
Plausible deniability is very valuable to the ruling elite. But they settle for implausible denial.
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Prince is cartoonishly evil and reality stole him from LEXX... but that doesn't make the accusations all true. He's guilty of smuggling weapons, stealing cash, having no oversight over the actions of his madmen that he hired without a real psych eval, and violating the geneva conventions.
But some of these lunatics are now testifying against him that he's on a crusade against islam, linked to the knights templar and part of an illuminati that wants to create chaos, kill people for fun, and destroy. This is insane, which isn't surprising, since the witnesses are insane.
Prince may be evil, but he's an evil businessman, gun for hire, and he knows very well that the next customer might be a muslim, and he wouldn't cut himself short.
My guess? Someone wants him gone because they're afraid mercenary organizations will replace armies.
I've actually heard a conspiracy that goes one step further that I'm not ready to accept yet, but is more plausible than the testimony: That the non-credible witnesses were supported in their attacks on Prince by Prince to discredit his opposition. Plausible, but I'd have to gnaw that one over.
Personally, I expected more sanity from the nation.
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Personally, I expected more sanity from the nation.
Whatever on Earth would give you such an expectation? Have you not been paying attention for the last several years?
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Dreamtrove
Unfortunately that theory falls flat in lights of eyewitness accounts from reliable people that have been in my hands (and mentioned here, by me, repeatedly) since long before anyone elses investigation.
Erik *IS* a nutter, he's far and away long gone between the ears, and despite this, he was and is supported quite heavily by both political and intelligence folk within our own government, and a couple military folk too.
But again, like Ollie North, he's gonna play the good soldier and fall on his sword to protect them, which means even if all of Blackwater gets what it rightly deserves, those folk will still be there, lurking and waiting for another chance to have their way.
I really, REALLY hope someone comes up with enough hard evidence not just to hang Erik out to dry, but also to expose some of those connections, and it supremely sucks to not even be able to elaborate at this time.
-F
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Frem
I've been following the story for a long time as well, I don't think it's a question of whether or not Prince is a raving lunatic, but what kind of lunatic he is.
Anyone who is inserting Knights Templar is also a loon, but that's no surprise, he hired a lot of loons. The Bush govt. wanted to outsource the army. Democrats don't, because they want a draft.
I don't think mercenary armies roaming the globe is a good idea, and I don't think that Prince is sane, he has a self image as at least king of the underworld.
There's an added element of doubt here: I'm always suspicious of lefty land's trying to christianize their enemies, just like christians masonizing their enemies, and nazis jewifying their enemies. The fact is I'm not a supporter of the new christians or the new zionism, but I can see where biases disembark from the natural course of reality.
If I were to peg Prince as anyone other than the LEXX Prince, it might be Boba Fett. He has this vision where he is the world's army, I can see that, and he plays by his own rules. I am not buying that he's on a crusade to wipe out Islam. Maybe he hired some nuts with this idea.
Bush had Carbone, who said such things, and the Bush wasn't elected by the people by appointed by God.
But Prince hired Pinochet's guys, so he had a low sanity standard. I think he had a focus on ability over logic. IIRC He did have the decency to buy body armor
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Have you not been paying attention for the last several years?
You know, just the way you phrase that, when I look at the text it reminds me of Johners little bit in Alien: Resurrection.
Johner: "Haven't you been payin' attention today?"
Course, it ain't the same without the visual, but I couldn't find a clip, alas.
-F
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I think the issue rests with the difference between Amoral, and Immoral, conduct.
Executive Outcomes, and the snidely-named "Executive" division of Eagle/A-1 Services Ltd. were Amoral, they didn't care whether you were in the right or not, whether it was technically legal or not, you gave them the mission, you gave em the money - you got their best.
You want THESE people dead, THOSE people left alone, and THIS area secured ?
OK.
Note there's gonna be some collaterals, but we'll keep it down as best we can.
They were efficient, they were merciless, but they were PROFESSIONAL, rape, looting and senseless murder for no particular reason were beneath them.
And then you got Wackenhut/Group4 Securicorps, Dyncorp, and Blackwater.
What poisons them, and causes them to slide down further and further into naught more than a group of unruly thugs, a slide which the former two have about hit bottom on, and Blackwater is quickly descending, is the addition of ideology to the mix, you see.
And in all three cases named above, that ideology was political, brought into it via affiliation with american intelligence agencies, it polluted both Wackenhut and Dyncorp from the very beginning, and it was in part what destroyed the Pinkertons as well, although their operations were mostly domestic, crushing those pesky union folks who dared stand up to the corporate elite - and Pinkertons lives on in a manner of speaking, since in the end they were absorbed by and in fact became one of those alphabet agencies, the USDOJ.
Look it up if you don't believe me, start with the Anti-Pinkerton Act of of 1893.
Blackwater is just one more fallen to the lure of easy government money, who sold out professionalism for ideology and to be completely honest they were poisoned from the beginning by the religious influence of Erik and his little band of cronies, which was part and parcel of the whole PNAC/NeoCon/Clean Break neo-feudo-fascist cabal, most of whom in fact don't have any strong religious beliefs but gave lip service due to the need for a fearful external enemy to use as an excuse - but Erik is a "true believer" and that filtered down through the ranks until it become de-facto policy.
Blackwater might be COMPETENT, but they're not PROFESSIONAL.
-Frem
Disclaimer: I worked for Eagle/A-1 in a Security/Tactical role, which is why I know so much about these things, and have such high standards - although admittedly that was a damned long time ago.
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Huh, and I'm aware their a bunch of hacks, I'm not sure I buy that this is a religious mission, and not just a poorly run death squad.
I suspect he hires madmen because that's what it takes, and then they behave like madmen, but I don't know the guy.
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Well the details of it might not yet be clear, other than that Erik himself is a "true believer" - but once you start mixing ideology, political or religious, into your doctrine, it's all downhill from there.
-F
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