Hey- interesting discussion concerning Firefly at a Trek site...

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, July 13, 2009 13:47
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CHRISISALL

Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:28 PM

Posts & peeps like the ones on this thread are why I love this place.

The laughing Chrisisall

PIZMOBEACH

Monday, July 13, 2009 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Posts & peeps like the ones on this thread are why I love this place.

The laughing Chrisisall

Yessir, that was pretty special - thx for sharing & welcome Yersinia!

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CHRISISALL

Monday, July 13, 2009 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Yersinia:

Yeeesh. Time to end this darn "novel" by now.

I look forward to the next, actually.

The laughing Chrisisall

YERSINIA

Monday, July 13, 2009 1:55 AM

Pizmo and Chris,

Thank you!

:::turns around and showoff-like models the virtual browncoat she got from another member of FFFNet on another thread last weekend:::

Oh, I forgot! Cybersnark, I can tell you where Jayne would fit in, in the Trekiverse: with the Nausicaans.

~Yersinia.

"Call me if anyone interesting shows up..."

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, July 13, 2009 5:04 AM

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Bytemite:

but apart from the brief mention we get of his family and that moment at the end of Jaynestown, Jayne's pretty unrepentantly mercenary and a verbal and somatic biohazard.

I think the point of including someone like Jayne is that people are complicated with many layers, and sometimes the outer layer is just he proverbial book cover. Ariel was just the start of revealing that Jayne can surprise us, as well as himself.

Whedon especially likes to challenge people's prejudices against characters. Cordelia, anyone? How about Wesley?

I am sure that had the series continued, Jayne's character would have evolved into someone who belonged on Serenity. He wouldn't have stayed that long otherwise.

BYTEMITE

Monday, July 13, 2009 5:29 AM

Oh, I don't disagree. I've likened Jayne to "Serenity's guard dog" in the past.

As he is in the first season... I can understand maybe how someone might think the world would be better without him. And I'm saying that as someone who LIKES his character because he's a good bad guy!

But I do think Jayne would get better.

CYBERSNARK

Monday, July 13, 2009 12:47 PM

Much as I enjoy mocking Jayne (known too many Jayne-types in real life that I couldn't mock 'cause they'd hurt me), I think many of his problems might stem from an impoverished upbringing --he seems like a "wrong side of the tracks" kid (schoolin' was never much of an option, family needed money, so he went right into the easiest and most profitable business he could find; beating people up).

Actually, I think an educated, more "priviledged" Jayne would be a lot like John Casey --still combative, but more a soldier than a thug.

(So, transposed into Star Trek, I'm thinking Starfleet Security. Maybe Marines or Intel, but not Section 31 --he's too honest.)

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BYTEMITE

Monday, July 13, 2009 1:47 PM

Yeah, there's clearly some reason he doesn't seem to trust anyone but his own family. Somewhere that criminal gangs and thugs roamed around, mugging and preying off people. And somewhere with authority figures that functioned solely to keep the people pretty oppressed, were corrupt, brutal, and generally not respectable or likeable. Someplace like Higgin's Moon with honest people living almost like slaves, but with metal working and welding instead of mud.

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