Hey- interesting discussion concerning Firefly at a Trek site...

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, July 13, 2009 13:47
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LWAVES

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:35 PM

I would love to see Mr Laser Brain deal with a really serious real life situation if he doesn't believe in shades of grey and everything has to be absolutely black or white.

What if one of his kids got away with committing a crime and then told him about it. Would he shop them in to the cops?
By his way of life he'd have to.

How can this guy manage to watch any TV or movies.
Even Trek was full of shades of a greyish colour. And if I remember some stories correctly wasn't the Federation also shown to be corrupt?

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:13 PM

Yeah, he was too much. But that site is the place to go to get off your tech-talk.

The laughing Chrisisall

RIPWASH

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 1:40 PM

I kept thinking that Mr. Laser Beam was an incarnation of Barney Stinson. Anyone else see the "How I Met Your Mother" episode where Barney was talking about rooting for a character in "The Karate Kid" and it turns out he was rooting for that snot-nosed blonde kid? And then it turns out he roots for the bad guys in every movie?

Kind of the same thing with Laser, dontchathink? Rootin' for the Alliance and all.

I didn't read through all of it, but I guess he just couldn't take the fact that the show was written from a certain perspective. Not the "all is bright and shiny in the Federation" type of stuff. That it's from the point of view of someone whose whole life and everything (and practically everyone) he knew and loved were taken away from him by a government he felt was overstepping it's bounds.

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

RIPWASH

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 1:45 PM

Oh! And Chris...

Found a shirt design you might like . . .

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

ZEEK

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:42 PM

I think the guy missed the point. The alliance isn't evil really. My impression is that it's a group of people who really are trying to do good. They just don't have the experience and knowledge of the outer rim or the resources to govern well. So, basically to the people on the outer rim the alliance is just a bunch of rules and regulations that don't work in practice.

I think bushwhacked is a good example. The captian of the alliance ship was wet behind the ears and went out playing everything by the book. After a brush with reality he realized that in order to do the right thing he can't work that way. He lets Mal help them hunt down the crazy guy. Then he lets Serenity and the crew go. That shows some pretty quick adaptation to the reality of the outer rim. It also shows that the captain was far from evil.

Just like someone else in the thread pointed out, most everyone views themselves as the hero of their life's story. From their point of view they are doing what's right. Not everyone will agree with that point of view, but if you can put yourself in someone else's shoes you can start to understand the decisions they make to some extent.

DARKFLY

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:45 PM

WOW they are almost more hyped up than us over it

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JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 4:27 PM

Hey Chris.....I've been on a Trek-watching spree for about 2 weeks, one or two episodes a night.

Question for ya : When did Spock say "For the first time in my life I was happy." ?

If you know it, I also have a follow-up question.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 6:46 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Question for ya : When did Spock say "For the first time in my life I was happy." ?

Too easy- the end of Paradise Syndrome.

The laughing Chrisisall

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 7:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Question for ya : When did Spock say "For the first time in my life I was happy." ?

Too easy- the end of Paradise Syndrome.

Very good.
I know the episode was intended as an anti-drug, anti-hippie commune cultural message. But when you watch it now, you almost don't want them to leave, do you? I would have always supported that position, the Kirk position, but nowadays I'm really hard-pressed to find the problem. If you could choose, would you want to live there?

In this episode, and other Season One episodes, Spock and others use the term "Vulcanian" instead of simply "Vulcan." Do you know anything about the origin/evolution of that terminology? Thanks.

YERSINIA

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 7:49 PM

Wow.

I may be new to Firefly, but where Star Trek is concerned, I'm proud, not ashamed, to call myself a Trekkie (not a Trekker, or a Trek fan). A Trekkie is what I am, and while I still have a lot to learn about Firefly and the Verse, nobody ought to mess with me when it comes to intimate knowledge of Star Trek (um, well, TOS through VOY, and the movies up through "Insurrection"): whatever the marketing people at Paramount wanna to call the goram crap they put out after Voyager, I'm tellin' y'all now, as a "way out there over the edge" Trekkie for over three decades now, IT AIN'T STAR TREK! Even my friend who LIKED this year's "new Star Trek movie" said she had to view it in her mind as 'alternate universe' in order to be able to enjoy it -- me, I read about it online, was thoroughly nauseated and simply refused to go.

Anyhoo, I digress, sorry. Being both a Trekkie since I was 9, and a new Firefly enthusiast, that's why this thread caught my attention, and, I clicked on the link in the OP and read what they all had to say over there about Firefly. No, I don't belong to that forum, I just read the Firefly thread.

I was pretty surprised by it too, but, obviously I belong with the group of Trek fans who love Firefly.

So, hopin' you all don't mind, I'd like to bring you some comments about Star Trek, Firefly, and exactly why I'm totally dying for this weekend to hurry up and get here so I can run a Total Firefly Marathon for my boyfriend.

I own TOS through VOY series on DVD, in their entirety. While I love and watch them all, my favorite Trek series is still TOS, but my very close second favorite is DS9. What I liked about DS9 is how we finally got to see life on a space station/starbase -- after hearing all those references to, but only brief visits at best, to space stations and starbases in TOS and TNG, I was just fascinated that a whole Trek series would be based on a space station rather than a starship. Not that I mind the starship series of course, but this was just so cool and different. DS9 was also grittier/darker than the other series -- it had those "shades of grey" that that obnoxious person at that other forum linked to in the OP was complaining about with regards to both Firefly and life in general. In that sense, I consider DS9 more "real" than the other Trek series. So why is TOS my favorite still? Because while I don't refuse, like that idiot, to acknowledge and even occasionally try to accommodate to RL's "shades of grey," I also have that longing for the impossible ideal -- if everything was black and white, how easy it would be to choose. I was an idealistic optimist when I was younger. Now I'm so cynical and jaded I mostly don't trust anybody and have basically written off most of the world, most of the time, as hopeless and horrible. The nice clean "optimistic" Trek series are the escape I need from RL.

My boyfriend (the only person in the Verse who is My Match in terms of cynicism, although he somehow retained a little more optimism than I did) --he's not the deep level Trekkie I am, but he likes it a lot (he's almost always asking me to put some Trek on when he's here), and DS9 is his favorite of the Trek series -- specifically because of the grittiness/shades of grey not present in the other series, which he says sometimes are "too nice and clean." So this is why I'm dying to show him Firefly! He's going to love it! He also loves guns and heist movies, so that'll help too.

Anyway I'd already told him, "Next time you're here, we're not watching any Star Trek, we're watching something called Firefly instead." That, plus telling him I'd watched it five times in a row and didn't put on any Trek at all for a week shocked the hell out of him. He said he'd heard OF Firefly since "some time back," but hadn't seen it and didn't remember what he'd heard about it. I babbled on with incoherent glee telling him how wonderful Firefly is and "If you thought DS9 was a gritty version of the future, wait till you see THIS!" and went on and on, I just couldn't shut my mouth. He was

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