Honduras Defends Its Democracy!

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FIVVER

Saturday, July 4, 2009 3:23 AM

Siggy, please stop insuinuating hypocrisy in other people. In Iran the people protested against an established dictatorship propped up by a rigged election and in Honduras they slapped down the attempt to establish a dictatorship by means of a rigged election. In both cases people are either fighting for freedom or to keep it. Supporting the demonstrations in Iran and the ouster of the Honduran president is totally consistant.

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 4, 2009 3:50 AM

Fivver- Bullshit.

Do you have any inkling about Zelaya's level of support?

Do you have any idea what level of support Moussavi has?

Of course not.

But your complete lack of basic facts on the ground doesn't prevent you from opining ... based on nothing other than sheer propaganda... what is really happening in either country, does it?

All I'm arguing for is objectivity. The objectivity that would allow you to realize that ALL of the "collateral damage" that WE created is every bit as tragic as Neda's death. That innocent bystanders in Venezuela were killed by anti-Chavez provocateurs, just as Neda was prolly killed. That the current governments in BOTH Honduras AND Iran are killing, beating and arresting civilians. All you seem to care about is whose side "they're" on. If they're on our "side" then everything they do is "good". If they're on the "other side" (whatever side that is) then everything they do is bad.

Well, it doesn't work that way, and if you think so then you're incredibly naive.

FIVVER

Saturday, July 4, 2009 3:55 AM

Wow, I bow to your flawless logic.

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 4, 2009 4:06 AM

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Wow, I bow to your flawless logic.

Thank you.

FIVVER

Saturday, July 4, 2009 4:17 AM

Sorry, when I posted all I saw was"

Fivver - bull.

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Do you have any inkling about Zelaya's level of support?

Do you have any idea what level of support Moussavi has?

Of course not.

Firsthand knowledge, nope. Don't need it. If Zelaya is a popular as you are insinuating, then there is no problem. In the November elections, his supportes will take a majority of the seats and call for the referendum or his opponents will maintain control and not call for it. Either way the Hondurans will have spoken.

The facts on the ground are that Zelaya forced this constitutional crisis by telling the other two branches to go screw themselves and they pushed back. Ever heard of balance of power? Their constitution is the LAW of the country. Not a set of objectives or guidelines but the LAW. Zelaya was the one ignoring it.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, July 4, 2009 4:25 AM

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Originally posted by fivver:

Firsthand knowledge, nope. Don't need it.

That's the corporate way.
*ooops*

The laughing Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 4, 2009 4:37 AM

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In the November elections, his supportes will take a majority of the seats and call for the referendum or his opponents will maintain control and not call for it. Either way the Hondurans will have spoken.

So you don't need factual knowledge? Then how do you know that the votes in Honduras aren't rigged?

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The facts on the ground are that Zelaya forced this constitutional crisis by telling the other two branches to go screw themselves and they pushed back. Ever heard of balance of power? Their constitution is the LAW of the country. Not a set of objectives or guidelines but the LAW. Zelaya was the one ignoring it.

How do you feel about stoning women? That's the LAW in some countries.

FIVVER

Saturday, July 4, 2009 4:56 AM

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So you don't need factual knowledge? Then how do you know that the votes in Honduras aren't rigged?

Zelaya got elected the first time didn't he?

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How do you feel about stoning women? That's the LAW in some countries.

Gee, I'm in favor of a law that does not allow one man to call for a referendum to make himself president for life so it immediately follows that I'm in favor of a law that allows stoning of women. Please pretend to have a brain.

FIVVER

Saturday, July 4, 2009 5:09 AM

And while we're at it, here's the makeup of the Honduran congress:
e • d Summary of the 27 November 2005 National Congress of Honduras election results Parties Seats
Liberal Party of Honduras (Partido Liberal de Honduras) 62
National Party of Honduras (Partido Nacional de Honduras) 55
Democratic Unification Party (Partido de Unificación Democrática) 5
Christian Democratic Party of Honduras (Partido Demócrata Cristiano de Honduras) 4
Innovation and Unity Party (Partido Innovación y Unidad) 2
Total votes: 1,833,710 (turnout 45.97 %) 128
Registered voters: 3,988,605

Here's another fun fact everyone seems to be ignoring:

Interim president Micheletti was president of the Honduran Congress and is a member, [bold]as was Zelaya, of the ruling Liberal party.[/bold]

In other words, Zelaya was thrown out by his own party and replaced by a member of his own party.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/01/opinion/main5127771.shtml

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 4, 2009 5:35 AM

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Zelaya got elected the first time didn't he?

Yes, he did. But clearly something changed during his tenure.

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Gee, I'm in favor of a law that does not allow one man to call for a referendum to make himself president for life

The referendum was a NONBINDING VOTE to get a sense of whether the people favored allowing a President to run for a second term. (Honduran law only allows one four-year term.) Depending on the result of the vote, then the CONGRESS would have taken up the issue. "President for life" is whole-cloth propaganda.

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so it immediately follows that I'm in favor of a law that allows stoning of women. Please pretend to have a brain.

No, what it means is that you think some laws are better than others. So simply saying It's THE LAW does not represent your true position. what you MEAN is that you feel the Honduran law is fair and reasonable. Do you happen to know Honduran law?

My point is... we don't really know WHAT'S going on, but I'm seeing a lot of spin in regards to Iran and Honduras, just as there is a lot of spin about Iraq. Don't be so quick to decide what's going on, because right now nobody has the facts.

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