Praying?!? Sorry pal, God's busy with other worlds for the next few centuries, can I take a message?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, July 10, 2009 17:49
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Quote:That's not the singularity I had in mind.
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm kind of amazed Chris hasn't made any quip yet about
The laughing Chrisisall
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Yeah... I guess the "hairy" part of that equation is kind of a turn off. 
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yeah... I guess the "hairy" part of that equation is kind of a turn off.
I've heard some people go for that.
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This thread has gone from the stratosphere to the landfill quite abruptly.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This thread has gone from the stratosphere to the landfill quite abruptly.
Maybe there's a black hole at work in this thread.
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Totally my bad. I just couldn't resist the tasteless joke.
Well... My brain will explode if I keep reading this stuff for much longer. I think I should actually wait until I can get home and have my Universe in a Nutshell book, before I continue looking for an explanation on how there could be quantum variance of particles that then smudges singularities. I think how this happens may be explained in the book, and in ways that don't make me feel cross-eyed like some of wikipedia's quantum mechanics articles.
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I get the distinct impression that every now and then the FSM will catch guys oggling his meatballs and he has to say, "HEY! My eyes are up here, pal."
Yeah, but he really likes when the girlies are goggling his meatballs. :)
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Ya know . . . with Byte and Cit ramblin' on and on, I kinda feel like Jayne. "If I'd wanted schoolin' I woulda gone to school!"
Too high falutin' for me, guys. 
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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"
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Originally posted by RIPWash:
Ya know . . . with Byte and Cit ramblin' on and on, I kinda feel like Jayne. "If I'd wanted schoolin' I woulda gone to school!"
Too high falutin' for me, guys.
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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"
Oh, that's okay, Rip - we can have our own decidedly more low-brow discussion going on at the same time. That's the beauty of RWED - discussions can take off on tangents all their own, and can lead damn near anywhere!
Mike
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Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Sorry guys... Just going to post what I can from a universe from a nutshell, see what Citizen makes of the quotes, then we can go back to worshiping the greatest food conceived by man.
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What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. ~Der Speigel
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When I gave a lecture in Japan, I was asked not to mention the possible re-collapse of the universe, because it might affect the stock market. However, I can re-assure anyone who is nervous about their investments that it is a bit early to sell: even if the universe does come to an end, it won't be for at least twenty billion years. By that time, maybe the GATT trade agreement will have come into effect. ~The Beginning of Time
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We are used to the idea that events are caused by earlier events. There is a chain of causality stretching back into the past. But suppose this chain has a beginning. Suppose there was was a first event. What caused it? This was not a question that many scientists wanted to address. They tried to avoid it, either by claiming, like the Russians, that the universe didn't have a beginning or by maintaining that the origin of the universe did not lie within the realm of science but belonged to metaphysics or religion. In my opinion, this is not a position any true scientist should take. If the laws of science are suspended at the beginning of the universe, might not they fail at other times also? A law is not a law if it only holds sometimes. We must try to understand the beginning of the universe on the basis of science. It may be a task beyond our powers, but we should at least make the attempt. ~Nutshell, page 79
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As Chapters 1 and 2 point out, the reason general relativity broke down near the big bang is that it did not incorporate the uncertainty principle, the random element of quantum theory that Einstein objected to on the grounds that God does not play dice. However, all the evidence is that God is quite a gambler. ~Nutshell, page 79
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The Unified theory will not in itself tell us how the universe began or what it's initial state was. For that, we need what are called boundary conditions, rules that tell us what happens... a colleague named Jim Hartle and I realized there was a third possibility. Maybe the universe has no boundary in space and time. At first glance, this seems to be in direct contradiction with the theorems that Penrose and I proved, which showed that the universe must have a beginning, a boundary in time. However, as explained in Chapter 2, there is another kind of time, imaginary time, that is at right angles to the ordinary real time that we feel going by. ~Nutshell, page 80-82
Imaginary time actually makes sense when explained in chapter two, but I don't really want to get into that here.
Slight contradiction of my argument to follow, but he's explaining it as best as we're able, and that involves singularities. You'll notice I haven't exactly been able to describe the result of star collapse as anything else but a singularity, even though... Well, you'll see in the quote after this.
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If they [stars ~Byte] are more than about twice the mass of the Sun, the pressure will never be sufficient to stop the contraction. They will collapse to zero size and infinite density to form what is called a singularity. ~Nutshell, page 114
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The difficulty with determinism arose when I discovered that black holes aren't completely black. As we saw in Chapter 2, quantum theory means that fields can't be exactly zero even in what is called a vaccuum. If they were zero, they would have both an exact value or position at zero and an exact rate of change or velocity that was also zero. This would be a violation of the uncertainty principle, which says that the position and the velocity can't both be well defined. All fields must instead have a certain amount of what are called vacuum fluctuations... In this case it is helpful to think of vacuum fluctuations as pairNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME