Praying?!? Sorry pal, God's busy with other worlds for the next few centuries, can I take a message?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, July 10, 2009 17:49
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Originally posted by antimason:
its quite a concept, that the undirected, chaotic EXPLOSION of the big bang, could create the incomprehensible ORDER and design of the universe.
Tell me about it. When you first see it, when you begin to understand how it could actually happen - it's friggin' amazing! Sublimely beautiful to boot.
SergeantX
"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"
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Originally posted by SergeantX:Quote:
Originally posted by antimason:
its quite a concept, that the undirected, chaotic EXPLOSION of the big bang, could create the incomprehensible ORDER and design of the universe.
Tell me about it. When you first see it, when you begin to understand how it could actually happen - it's friggin' amazing! Sublimely beautiful to boot.
SergeantX
"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"
And even more so when you realize the randomness of it, and the fact that it doesn't need a "creator" or "designer" to exist - that's just people trying to anthropomorphize and assign human traits to something natural. The universe doesn't have design, and it doesn't have morals, no matter how much you might want it to.
I might as well point to everything I don't fully understand and yell "Aliens did this! They HAD TO!" or "Ghosts! Haunts! Spirits! Faeries and Sprites!" The fact that we don't fully understand how it all works doesn't make a bit of difference to the universe- it just keeps humming along; our understanding doesn't mean that something is unable to be understood. What you call "god" I call "physics".
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I like quantum mechanics, because it makes singularities impossible.
I don't think it does. And if it did that would be fairly compelling evidence that QM is wrong.
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Hubble's Deep Space multi-day exposures have given us the best models to estimate the age of the Big Bang, and the expansion of the universe. 
Once you can understand the scope of these models, you see how structured everything really is. Only thing missing is Niska's skyplex.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Now show me a fossil of your "intelligent designer". Heck, show me a fossil of your baby Jesus!
Can't...they're both still alive.
(Laughs cause Kwicko's going to hell...in a handbasket made of dinosaur bones.)
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by piratenews:
The correct way to pray: "[Insert deity name], please teach me how to solve [insert problem here]." Not "gimme gimme gimme".
And don't forget to mention Nazi-Jews, death squads, and the Queen.
PN's nightly prayer: "Oh Not-Jew God, please teach me to be a better Jew hater...and by "Jew" I mean everyone in the entire world but me, protect me from death squads who give traffic tickets and read my water meter, keep my Holy Tin Foil Hat blessed with your power, bring forth a woman who wont laugh at me when I ask her out, and save us all from Barrack Obama and Walt Disney's frozen zombie robots, Amen."
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm willing to concede that however the universe may have started, it's a heckuva neat place.
Have you seen Detroit...frankly, I expect more.
Although I have yet to see a poorly designed fjord.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Now show me a fossil of your "intelligent designer". Heck, show me a fossil of your baby Jesus!
Can't...they're both still alive.
(Laughs cause Kwicko's going to hell...in a handbasket made of dinosaur bones.)
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
Laughs 'cause Hero's going to Easter Bunny...
Hey, it makes as much sense as your statement.
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I like quantum mechanics, because it makes singularities impossible.
I don't think it does. And if it did that would be fairly compelling evidence that QM is wrong.
Three words: Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.
It's why people now believe that particles can escape from a black hole... Because of the uncertainty of any particle's position, there is a chance that they might suddenly exist outside the black hole. The information of the particle is lost, of course, you don't get whole atoms, but rather protons, neutrons, electrons, or antiprotons, antineutrons, and positrons. And you often get emissions in matter/anti-matter virtual pairs that quickly annihilate each other.
A blackhole is supposed to be a singularity, and yet, if there is uncertainty whether the amount of mass that's in that infinitely small space is IN that infinitely small space, then it's not quite a singularity, is it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_Radiation
Now, I do think the Uncertainty Principle is more something of a placeholder for when we figure out a more accurate way than wave functions to predict both position AND velocity of quantum particles, but all the same, quantum particles seem to exhibit some very strange behaviour and will be difficult to predict. Even if we discover how to predict exact positions in time around an atom, there's still a tendency for particles to not be where they're supposed to be.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
The information of the particle is lost, of course, you don't get whole atoms, but rather protons, neutrons, electrons, or antiprotons, antineutrons, and positrons. And you often get emissions in matter/anti-matter virtual pairs that quickly annihilate each other.
A blackhole is supposed to be a singularity, and yet, if there is uncertainty whether the infinite amount of mass that's in that infinitely small space is IN that infinitely small space, then it's not quite a singularity, is it?
You seem to be missing a vital point. The level of uncertainty is based on the Particles wavelength, which diminishes with mass. Black Holes are governed by Quantum Mechanical effects at the Singularity (at least in theory, it's not like anyone has gone into one to check), but they also have rather a lot of mass.
The Wavelength of an electron is barely longer than it's circumference, which is why they tend to act more like particles than waves most of the time. A Black Hole has infinite mass, therefore an infinitely short wavelength, so the level of uncertainty is lower. In fact it's probably more likely that your body will Quantum tunnel through a brick wall than a Black Hole will Quantum Tunnel to a new state.
The result is that only particles of Electron size and smaller are really bothered about the uncertainty principle. By the time you're talking about Positrons, Neutrons, Atoms and up, they're much more predictable.
The equation to find a particles wavelength is De Broglie's wavelength:
λ = h/m*u
Where:
λ is the Wavelength
h is Plancks constant
m is the particles mass
and u is the particles speed
EDIT:
Actually always c.
The result of dividing any number by infinity should be self evident.
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