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Is it no news really "good news"?

POSTED BY: NONONSENSE
UPDATED: Monday, November 11, 2002 01:03
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Sunday, November 10, 2002 8:59 PM

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We all keep on being reminded of the Dark Angel legend, but it's substantially different in at least a couple of ways. One is that profit isn't alone in motivating the networks; there's prestige too, which Dark Angel didn't have, while Firefly is critically acclaimed and its fans are just as loyal as Dark Angel's (only with better reason). Also, and perhaps much more importantly, I just found out that Dark Angel started on a different day, built up its audience in the better market, and then moved to Friday (possibly to be killed for having never gotten good enough ratings by any other day's standards). And the competition and replacement scenarios were also different back then.


Ok, why do you people have to keep picking on Dark Angel? I mean, if you just found out that Dark Angel started on a Tuesday then you've never watched it, have you, so how would you know if FF fans have better reason to love FF than DA fans with DA? And I'm sorry, but FF isn't really that critically acclaimed, I've read lots of bad reviews, and critical acclaim doesn't really matter if the ratings never improve. And "back then" was several months ago, so things weren't that different.

I'm not a DA troll or anything, but I love DA too and I hate how I can't go into a FF or DA site without people dissing the other show. I mean, come on, saying how much FF sucks won't bring back DA, and saying how much DA sucks won't exactly help FF.

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Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:34 PM

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Ok, why do you people have to keep picking on Dark Angel?


I'm not, I'm just pointing out that the situations are different, so nothing about Firefly's fate can be inferred from Dark Angel's.

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I mean, if you just found out that Dark Angel started on a Tuesday then you've never watched it, have you, so how would you know if FF fans have better reason to love FF than DA fans with DA?


Simple. I have watched it, and I just never memorized its schedule. It didn't make me want to remember so I wouldn't miss any episodes like Firefly does.

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critical acclaim doesn't really matter if the ratings never improve.


It does; like I said, there's a prestige issue; networks keep lower-rated shows if they take pride in their reputed quality anyway, especially when that reputed quality is in an intellectual aspect of the show (as opposed to "great action" or "hot chick"). Not my decision or something I'm going to say is entirely profitable for their business, but it happens anyway.

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And "back then" was several months ago, so things weren't that different.


No, back then was when dark Angel had the wonderful ratings everyone keeps talking about, when it started.

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saying how much DA sucks won't exactly help FF.


I didn't do that and I don't have that motivation. Your case would be helped by your not making things up. For one thing, I liked Dark Angel more often than I didn't, but merely wasn't as impressed with it as I am with Firefly; I could say the same for many other shows. Also, I am not under the delusion that anything I can say will influence Firefly's fate one way or the other; I'm just shedding some light on the invalidity of the comparison of the two shows' ratings as a predictor of what will become of Firefly.

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Monday, November 11, 2002 1:03 AM

hi DarkAngelSlayer,

I don't think anybody's picking on it exactly, they are just holding the two shows up for comparison. I watched Dark Angel from the first episode, and I liked it a lot at first, then I slowly began losing interest. And I'm sorry, and this is just my opinion, but by the second season that show had gotten completely ridiculous. I remember being very disappointed in the direction DA had taken. But I was still sorry to see it go, especially considering it's loyal fanbase. You're right about the negative reviews for FF, I've read them too. BUT one thing I've noticed is that some critics are already starting to change their minds. FF is just the kind of show that grows on you. Some critics don't want to give it the chance. Anyway, I agree with you about how annoying and tiresome it is listening to a bunch of immature idiots dissing each other's shows, but I really don't think that's what was going on in this particular thread. We're just trying to figure out what the chances are for FF's survival by comparing it to another show that FOX cancelled.

Another difference between FF and DA...DA had so much hype going for it before it ever aired that got people excited about it...FF got a bad reputation from the start, what with FOX's axing of the original pilot. It seems like it's been nothing but one obstacle after another for Firefly.

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