Refining the canon timeline

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, January 14, 2008 5:45 AM

Thanks for pointing out the 8 months deletion in Operative's lines. I'll check that out next BDM viewing.
Script written by Joss, barring opposing data it still helps us fill in more blanks and refine the timeline as we understand it.
Thanks for everybody's help with this - a number of things I didn't catch.

I also added 2 days onto the range for TTJ, for Kaylee's recuperation.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, June 23, 2008 8:56 AM

Have just posted #25 thru 28.

These refer to Battle of Serenity Valley references, and how that might affect the timeline. In Bushwhacked, Commander Harken mentions that BoSv might have been the beginning of the end for the Independents. This may indicate some delay between the end of BoSv and either the negotiated peace, of end of the war, or proclaimed Unification Day.
It would be reasonable to imagine the end of negotiations was not the same day as U-Day. Consider the end of Japanese negotiations in WWII and the actual signing of the Declaration of Surrender.

If I understand the time sequence of BoSV correctly, it is like this (please correct or comment if it's off):
A. From beginning of BoSV, coordinated Independent fighting lasts for 5 weeks.
B. After 5th week, Independent High Command ceases support of ground troops.
C. For another 2 weeks, Independent ground troops continue to fight without support from High Command.
D. After 7 weeks of fighting, both sides effectively cease fighting.
E. Another week passes with both sides laying dying, withering, starving on the battlefield, while the peace is negotiated.
F. At the end of this final week, the med ships arrive and evac the wounded. This occurs 8 weeks after the beginning of BoSV.

The original scene 1 of Pilot Serenity seems to be part F. where the med ships arrive after a week of inactivity. The original scene 2 is aired with the subscript "6 years later" indicating it was 6 years after this date, the medevac date.

The re-shot opening scene of Pilot Serenity, with fighting, appears to be part B. Zoe say air ships ain't coming, High Command has effectively abandoned them. This is not exactly spelled out. High Command controls the units, and if the airships are not coming, the ground troops had no control over this, High Command does, they can order the airships to engage or not.

Anybody have a feel for how much time elapses between the end of peace negotiations (for the war) and the formal declaration of Hostility ceasation, likely known as Unification Day? Unlikely that the day Celebrated as U-Day would be a day that fighting continued on worlds in the verse. BoSV was just on Hera, fighting was going on all over the verse, mostly rim or border planets, the outer edges of the verse, so word would have to get to all units after the negotations before an actual "Unification Day could be proclaimed, I think.

Anybody think Zoe referred to the "peace" negotiated as the peace ending the Battle of Serenity Valley, or the "peace" ending the overall war?

When Joss re-shot the opening scene, effectively 3 weeks earlier than the original scene 1, it is likely the scene 2's "6 years later" subscript likely di not get changed. Although the original intent was to be 6 years after the end of 8th week, they probably didn't feel that literal about it, and they did intend to air the Pilot. This would make the first day of the Pilot the 6 year anniversary of the day BoSV was medevaced, and Pilot lasted a couple days, and then a few days later was TTJ, which started on U-Day. This would seem reasonable that a few days elapsed between the end of negotiations and the formal announcement of Unification Day.

I had not previoulsy considered the effects of these on the timeline, until mention of "May 2511" in the BDM deleted scenes was brought up. But now they do add to the information available.

Anybody feel differently about these? Am missing more information about these actions/events/times?

Rgarding the overall timeline, Ep4 Safe has Simon saying they're aboard "more than 2 months." Simon is precise enough that if it had been 3 months, he would have said so. This is before OMR, so before 18 Oct. If aboard 2-3 months, this would place the boarding date before 18 August but after 18 July. If BoSV started in May, near the end, 8 weeks later would be the end of July. This could put U-Day at the end of July or beginning of August.
With Simon's wording, I would tend to think this was closer to 2 months than 3 months, so the clos

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:20 AM

I have a fairly small screen, so the details of the deleted scene are lacking for me. Can somebody tell me about it?
When it says May 2511, is that the page for commendations, the one for valor in battle?
I was thinking, if May was the time he achieved the award, it is not likely the last week. That was when the med ships wouldn't even come.
The 2 weeks before that the High Command had already given up, so they wouldn't be handing out awards then either.
The last weeks of the first 5 weeks the Independents were apparently losing battles, so awards probably weren't a top priority, over survival.
So perhaps the award was most likely given during the early weeks of the battle, when the tide was more favorable or balanced towards the Independents.

Anybody have further details on that screenshot or frame to support or conflict with this idea?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 20, 2009 9:32 AM

When consulting The Map fo the Verse, it shows that Triumph is located in Red Sun system, and Beaumonde is located in Kalidasa System, and then Higgin's Moon is back in Red Sun again.
In OMR, they are scheduled for 5-6 days travel to get from Triumph to Beaumonde. They will then stay from 24 October to 7 Novemeber (Mal assured Inara she could make appointments and they would not depart early).
The next episode is Jaynestown, so traveling back to Higgin's Moon must take another 5-6 days. So I will update the timeline posts with an additional week of time here. They could have made other stops, adding more time, but it could not have been less time.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, February 23, 2009 8:46 AM

I keep forgetting to mention that for item #15, the aired episode does not have Mal looking down the barrel of Saffron's pistol when he says this. I think I got that from script.
Nonetheless, his time estimate of "half year back" could be part estimation, part exageration, and part wishing he'd put it behind him.

YELLOWJACKET

Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:40 AM

Very nice work throughout and some good input from many sources. I won't say that you all have too much time on your hands, because you're saving me some time by spending your own, so thank you.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:11 AM

bump

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, April 13, 2015 2:54 AM

Apparently there have been more comics released than I knew about.

Some of them did not have time references, to fit into the timeline.

Could somebody who has seen all the comics, or any of them, contribute information about what planet they are on, which characters are involved or present together on Serenity, and any other timeline related information?

Thanks.

Today's post in this thread:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=2&tid=57585&p=3

These seem to be publishing dates (quoted from Wishimay)

Quote:

Those Left Behind says Jan 2006

Better Days says March 2008

Float Out says June 2010

The Sheperds Tale says Nov 2010

The free comic (It's Never Easy) says May 4, 2012

Serenity: The Other Half and Downtime(internet says August 2008, November 2010 ? I dunno I lost track of these things...) This is the thread about The Other Half
online comic...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=2&tid=34468&p=2

Here's the one for Downtime
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=2&tid=46138&mid=81
4578#814578

And Leaves on the Wind says January 2014

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