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tor⋅ture
/ˈtɔrtʃər/ Show Spelled [tawr-cher] Show IPA noun, verb, -tured, -tur⋅ing.
–noun
1.the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2.a method of inflicting such pain.
3.Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4.extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5.a cause of severe pain or anguish.
(dictionary.com)
Psychological punishment
A psychological punishment is a type of punishment that relies not or only in secondary order on the actual harm inflicted (such as corporal punishments or fines) but on psychological effects, mainly emotions, such as fear, shame and guilt. This can occasionally cause severe cardiac harm, even death, but those are not strictly intended, and in the case of torture accidental death would even defeat the purpose. Psychological punishments that are particularly cruel or severe may be considered psychological torture.
[.... Passage on the use of shame as psychological torture]
A strictly fear-inducing method is the mock execution, a form of 'virtual' torture. Various threats operate on the same fear-inducing principle. The use of blindfolds and the like also integrate such an element in other punishments.
[.... passage on the use of guilt and the psychological effects of indirect torture]
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Tricking people into thinking they might drown seems to be a form of mock execution.
But maybe I don't know what the definition of IS is.
Hmm. Fair point.
The sensation of drowning is a unique sensation. It isn't extreme pain, but it certainly isn't fear (although this might be present as well). If you ask me the human reaction to it is similar to one of 'pull-your-hand-out-of-the-fire-quick-because-it's-unbearable' - ie. pain.
And as well, if you sanction waterboarding by this argument you also sanction any other forms of torture by (temporary) drowning.
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According to Eric Holder, if your INTENT is to torture, then it's torture. Our intent was to extract info...
What other reasons are there to torture other than to extract information?
You're doing that thing again where you justify yourself by comparing yourself favourably to terrorists - when you torture you try not to cause lasting damage, and you'll only torture for information, not for fun. Congratulations, you're better than the terrorists.
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I'm not doing anything, but repeating what Obama's own A.G. said. Hell, i quoted him before, so tell me how that justifies me by "comparing " me to the terrorist ? They don't torture to get info, they do it to inflict pain, and then they KILL you.
Yes. we're far, FAR better than the terrorist. At Gitmo, they're served 3 square meals a day ( so much food, they gained 15-20 lbs ), got clean, fluffy prayer rugs, crisp new Korans to pray with, and recess to run and play on the sand, once a day. Our guys ? Got their fingers broken, burned, stabbed, before being gutted and other things too unmentionable done to them. This phony indignation over non existent torture done by our guys is a colossal waste of time.
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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Yes. we're far, FAR better than the terrorist.
I already congratulated you.
And I was just pointing out that in your mind you're not responding to the question 'what is torture?' - you're just drawing as many distinctions as you can between what we do and what the terrorists do. Okay ours and the terrorists' actions are different - but newsflash; that doesn't mean both aren't torture.
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This phony indignation
It's not all phony.
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kwickie
Again, you've posted a reply with out saying a damn thing. I've asked you to cite where Cheney lied, you didn't. I gave you proof that settled the matter of whether we 'tortured' or not, you ignored that too. WTF is the point of this board if all you're going to do is act like Whozit and blurt back nonsensical, irrelevant replies that don't come close to addressing ANYTHING being discussed ?
rappie
Again, you've posted a reply without saying a damn thing. You've asked me to cite where Cheney lied; I did. I gave you proof that settled the matter of whether he lied or not; you ignored that. You've offered no "proof" of anything, only your lame, weak-kneed opinions, and opinions from others that agree with yours. WTF is the point of this board if you're never going to learn ANYTHING, but only keep blurting out more of your ever-growing list of RapFacts™, which have been shown time and time again to be nothing but utter bullshit, pure lies, useless partisan crap?
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
According to Eric Holder, if your INTENT is to torture, then it's torture. Our intent was to extract info...
What other reasons are there to torture other than to extract information?
You're doing that thing again where you justify yourself by comparing yourself favourably to terrorists - when you torture you try not to cause lasting damage, and you'll only torture for information, not for fun. Congratulations, you're better than the terrorists.
Heads should roll
Even that "try not to cause lasting damage" bit is pure horseshit. By that rationale, I can break your fingers, your arms, your legs... I can pull out your fingernails or push bamboo shoots under them, all without causing "lasting damage". Are none of those things "torture" now?
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Yes. we're far, FAR better than the terrorist.
Which one?
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rappie
Again, you've posted a reply without saying a damn thing. You've asked me to cite where Cheney lied; I did.
You did no such thing. You posted nonsensical bullshit, and you KNOW it.
August 26, 2002: Cheney spoke to a the 103rd national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, where he stated unequivocally, "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."
Simply stated, there is now no doubt that Saddam indeed DID NOT have weapons of mass destruction as Cheney claimed.
There is NO evidence Cheney KNEW Saddam had no WMD. You know this. There was NO DOUBT of this....
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
, from multiple Intel sources. Everyone knows this, but because of your partisan BULLSHIT for brains, you continue this lie that Bush / Cheney magically knew what everyone else didn't, and still went along w/ the war.
You're a idiot. Now knock it the hell off
I grew tired of this pointless game,long ago. I refuse to waste time when you're doing nothing but trolling.
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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You're a idiot.
Classic!
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You're a idiot.
Classic!
Too gutless to even deal w/ the facts, all you can do is to continue to troll.
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You're a idiot.
Classic!
Too gutless to even deal w/ the facts, all you can do is to continue to troll.
Whatever, AuTrollster. I thought you weren't playing anymore. Guess I made a liar out of you yet again, eh?
Here's a fact for you to deal with, ya troll:
Take a look at Troll Country, and see which of the two of us has more threads moved there.
Or are you too gutless to take that challenge?
Yeah, I thought so.
Mike
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