Change you were dumb enough to believe in
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 9, 2025 21:45
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Originally posted by Hero:
And if a Gitmo person gets released somewhere in the US and kills somebody...its game over for the Democrats. Obama needs to get out of the corner and Cheney's ratings can only go up, which is what and why they are doing just that.
Felons get out of prison all the time and kill people. Rapists & child molesters the same. Does anyone other than the victim's family typically give a shit that the bleeding hearts on the parole boards let these animals out to kill and rape again? No.
It would be the same with Gitmo guys, except the Democrats would just blame Bush for it. They would say the guy should never have been in this hemisphere to begin with. I've heard others use the same phrase you did... "all over for Dems or Obama if this or that happens." That is delusional thinking in light of the reality we live in under a corrupt Obama-loving press. The media will jab Obama from time to time to give the illusion of fairness and truth, but they will always cover and protect him on the big stuff. Bush & Cheney are just two juicy targets that will NEVER be off the table for Obama and his fans.
AND, getting back to the Waterboarding thing again. It is absolutely torture, and Cheney should shut his mouth already. He is digging a grave for himself and other Republicans by continuing his insistence on the merits of torture. Funny how the bastard never said shit for 8 years about what was going on, and never came out once in public to defend his President and their policies against the daily media onslaught against them. Only now does he muster up the courage to stand tall by his convictions. Sorry, but it's too little, too late. The more he rants about torture, the more he damages Republicans and helps Democrats. If you don't believe me, take another look at the last Presidential election results. Although McIdiot wasn't a true Conservative or even by any measure a Republican, he still got clobberred by a leftist junior Senator with no experience. So something tells me Americans in general like the Obama way, and reject the Cheney way.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Mike. That is at once hi-larious and sobering.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You want me to prove it? Give me a waterboard and Dick Cheney, and within five minutes I'll have him admit that he's being tortured.
The laughing Chrisisall
Thanks, Chris - the hell of it is, if I *DO* get Cheney to admit that it's torture, will he have given an honest answer, or will he have told me what I want to hear because I'm torturing him?
Neither way works out particularly well for him.
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Talk about dodge-n-weave...
So now you're playing chickenshit and refusing to answer.
Typical Republican coward.
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Now you're making up shit just to avoid having to answer. You've sunk to a new low ( hard for me to admit that, being that it's , well....YOU )
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:'Rap, you say there was NO torture, there WERE WMD... you talk about "facts", and make fun of those arguments you all too easily lose to on a regular basis due to your partisan hard-wiring.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And there's no torture
if you dealt in the facts
a complete farce.
You are so a dope, seriously.
Chris, I'm right, and your continued partisan bickering only reflects poorly on your and those who you support.
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Mike. That is at once hi-larious and sobering.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You want me to prove it? Give me a waterboard and Dick Cheney, and within five minutes I'll have him admit that he's being tortured.
The laughing Chrisisall
Thanks, Chris - the hell of it is, if I *DO* get Cheney to admit that it's torture, will he have given an honest answer, or will he have told me what I want to hear because I'm torturing him?
Neither way works out particularly well for him.
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
According to Eric Holder, if your INTENT is to torture, then it's torture. Our intent was to extract info which they had, but were unwilling to give up. And that's exactly what happened. They gave up the goods.
Lives saved.
Attacks diverted.
Dots connected
Job well done.
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Mike. That is at once hi-larious and sobering.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You want me to prove it? Give me a waterboard and Dick Cheney, and within five minutes I'll have him admit that he's being tortured.
The laughing Chrisisall
Thanks, Chris - the hell of it is, if I *DO* get Cheney to admit that it's torture, will he have given an honest answer, or will he have told me what I want to hear because I'm torturing him?
Neither way works out particularly well for him.
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
According to Eric Holder, if your INTENT is to torture, then it's torture. Our intent was to extract info which they had, but were unwilling to give up. And that's exactly what happened. They gave up the goods.
Lives saved.
Attacks diverted.
Dots connected
Job well done.
The T.Rex they call JANE!
Talk about making shit up!
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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tor⋅ture
/ˈtɔrtʃər/ Show Spelled [tawr-cher] Show IPA noun, verb, -tured, -tur⋅ing.
–noun
1.the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2.a method of inflicting such pain.
3.Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4.extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5.a cause of severe pain or anguish.
(dictionary.com)
Psychological punishment
A psychological punishment is a type of punishment that relies not or only in secondary order on the actual harm inflicted (such as corporal punishments or fines) but on psychological effects, mainly emotions, such as fear, shame and guilt. This can occasionally cause severe cardiac harm, even death, but those are not strictly intended, and in the case of torture accidental death would even defeat the purpose. Psychological punishments that are particularly cruel or severe may be considered psychological torture.
[.... Passage on the use of shame as psychological torture]
A strictly fear-inducing method is the mock execution, a form of 'virtual' torture. Various threats operate on the same fear-inducing principle. The use of blindfolds and the like also integrate such an element in other punishments.
[.... passage on the use of guilt and the psychological effects of indirect torture]
(reference.com)
Tricking people into thinking they might drown seems to be a form of mock execution.
But maybe I don't know what the definition of IS is.
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kwickie
Again, you've posted a reply with out saying a damn thing. I've asked you to cite where Cheney lied, you didn't. I gave you proof that settled the matter of whether we 'tortured' or not, you ignored that too. WTF is the point of this board if all you're going to do is act like Whozit and blurt back nonsensical, irrelevant replies that don't come close to addressing ANYTHING being discussed ?
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According to Eric Holder, if your INTENT is to torture, then it's torture. Our intent was to extract info...
What other reasons are there to torture other than to extract information?
You're doing that thing again where you justify yourself by comparing yourself favourably to terrorists - when you torture you try not to cause lasting damage, and you'll only torture for information, not for fun. Congratulations, you're better than the terrorists.
Heads should roll
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie
Again, you've posted a reply with out saying a damn thing. I've asked you to cite where Cheney lied, you didn't. I gave you proof that settled the matter of whether we 'tortured' or not, you ignored that too. WTF is the point of this board if all you're going to do is act like Whozit and blurt back nonsensical, irrelevant replies that don't come close to addressing ANYTHING being discussed ?
Gee, I dunno, because not once have you even commented on anything I've said to you in this thread.
I guess I'm going to give up now.
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