Punishing Success, Rewarding Failure

POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, May 22, 2009 20:24
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SIGNYM

Friday, May 22, 2009 3:38 PM

I'll vote Peace & Freedom. Their message in more in tune with mine. That's what I did the last time when I couldn't stomach voting for Feinstein or Clinton.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

BADKARMA00

Friday, May 22, 2009 5:22 PM

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To be entirely fair, Signy, Bush received more support for his bailout from Democrats than he did from Republicans. And Obama hasn't exactly reversed the trend.

How's about "Vote Libertarian"?

SergeantX

"It's cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

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I've always been a staunch republican, but I'm leaning that way, these days. I'm not saying I'll go there, yet, but I'm looking. I'm looking.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

Funny - I've voted pretty staunchly Democrat, and I'm leaning that way, too. Maybe I'll meet you there, 'cause neither of our current parties are doing it for me...

ETA: Note I said "pretty staunchly" - for the record, I've never voted for a Clinton. Ever.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Maybe we'll meet somewhere in the . . . well, not middle, obviously, lol. but yeah, maybe we will. You know, if more from each 'side' get fed up, and meet in another 'party', then we might just get that real change.

And wouldn't that be a hoot?

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

KWICKO

Friday, May 22, 2009 6:12 PM

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There's nothing to be done at the moment, except prepare for the next election cycle. If like minded people start organizing NOW, and work to get candidates on the ticket anywhere that the incumbent is weak, then they can effect change very effectively. That's not to say overnight.

Bingo! We have a winner!

Now, who wants to help take on a weak-ass incumbent here in Texas? I'm speaking, of course, of Governor Rick Perry - the man who wanted Texas to seceed and hired a creationist to head up the state's education board - and then went hat in hand BEGGING the federal government for flu vaccine (to fight a new strain of influenza that had evolved) and money to fight the outbreak. A man who is against government and against science goes running to - you guessed it - GOVERNMENT SCIENTISTS when the shit hits the fan on his southern border!

If he isn't weak now, he never will be. If Ron Paul had any real sense, he'd be running for Texas Governor. Sure, it's a figurehead position, utterly worthless for doing anything at all, UNLESS you're planning on running for higher national office. And yes, Ron Paul already holds a higher national office, but Texas Governor seemed to work out pretty well for that one guy who wasn't really from here... What was his name, again?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Friday, May 22, 2009 6:18 PM

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Originally posted by badkarma00:
Maybe we'll meet somewhere in the . . . well, not middle, obviously, lol. but yeah, maybe we will. You know, if more from each 'side' get fed up, and meet in another 'party', then we might just get that real change.

And wouldn't that be a hoot?

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

For a while now, I've been calling for the Libertarians to take over the Republican party from within. People like Rush and Cheney have made the party scarily uninhabitable to a great many of the "Reagan Republicans" who consider themselves mostly conservative, but not violently, virulently nationalistic. Recent polls show that 20% of Americans identify themselves as "Republican" in their party affiliation. That means there's a huge gulf within the party, a void that is going unanswered and unaddressed, and the heart of the party is up for grabs.

It's yours for the taking, if you can oust the hard-right neo-cons from their death-grip on the party's throat.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

BADKARMA00

Friday, May 22, 2009 8:24 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by badkarma00:
Maybe we'll meet somewhere in the . . . well, not middle, obviously, lol. but yeah, maybe we will. You know, if more from each 'side' get fed up, and meet in another 'party', then we might just get that real change.

And wouldn't that be a hoot?

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

For a while now, I've been calling for the Libertarians to take over the Republican party from within. People like Rush and Cheney have made the party scarily uninhabitable to a great many of the "Reagan Republicans" who consider themselves mostly conservative, but not violently, virulently nationalistic. Recent polls show that 20% of Americans identify themselves as "Republican" in their party affiliation. That means there's a huge gulf within the party, a void that is going unanswered and unaddressed, and the heart of the party is up for grabs.

It's yours for the taking, if you can oust the hard-right neo-cons from their death-grip on the party's throat.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Honestly, I think the rhetoric on both sides has gone too far to save either party. It's going to take everyone from both sides who is fed all the way up, getting together and forcing a third party that has some real teeth to it.

And, at this point, I'd look long and hard at such a party. I've never said that before, but I'm saying it now. There are people in both parties who know how to exist together, and to compromise.

And that's what it comes down to in a nation of 300 million people. NO ONE is going to have everything their way, period. Ain't gonna happen.

THus, some of us have to be willing to lay aside that 'us against them' mentality, and work toward something better than what we have now. Both sides say they have a 'vision' of a better America. The problem is, IMO, that neither side realizes that NEITHER vision is right for all of America, and aren't willing to give an inch to make something that, while not perfect in any sense of the word, is still one hell of a lot better than what we've got.

It can't be all or nothing. It has to be give and take. If a serious third party organization ever emerges with that attitude, it will reshape politics in this nation for generations to come.

And I'm willing to bet for the better.

As always, though, that's just me. Or maybe, nowdays, it ain't just me anymore, huh?

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

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