Punishing Success, Rewarding Failure

POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, May 22, 2009 20:24
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THUNDAR

Friday, May 22, 2009 6:28 AM

Exactly. That is the root of the problem and why we are in the situation we are. Everyone has their favorites or likes what pork their guy brings home. So they keep re electing them and they stay up there forever.

JKIDDO

Friday, May 22, 2009 6:32 AM

There's another problem: Most people still think that hard decisions can be put off. They've bought into the myth that corporations are there to take care of you, you can cut taxes and still get service, the only thing that government is good at is waste and fraud, the system is fair, with hard work and a good idea ANYONE can get rich, greed is the only social contract we need to make.

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There has been no dramatic shift in Americans' view of Wall Street, big business or the role of government despite the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression, according to a wide-ranging Pew Research Center study of American values released Thursday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/despite_bad_economy_no_big_s
hift_in_values/print

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, May 22, 2009 8:12 AM

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The problem usually boils down to the hard, hard work. There just aren't enough people who care enough to get out there and do the grassroots work needed to turn the system around. Or on it's ear, if you prefer

Cause they're all too damn busy trying to survive under the heel of the governments rapacious taxes.

As for how to fix it, well I made a suggestion and I'll make it again, but you'd prolly need to legalise hemp again in order to have ENOUGH rope.

As for "voting" - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Between measures that keep non-bought candidates off the ballots, in extremis even arresting them, as they did with Larouche, who is IMHO quite bonkers, but when Ramsey Clark called out the Gov on a complete and total abuse of the process that's something to make one stand up and take notice - and gerrymandering, plus the 12% "machine advantage" no one ELSE has the fucking balls to admit, and the secrecy and corruption of the electors, when are you people gonna realize that you're playing at the card sharpers table, in his house, with his marked deck ?

Do you really seriously think the powers that be would even abide by it if you somehow DID manage to get past all that crap, when even the US Constitution and the will of the people as a whole are meaningless to them and have been since 1861 ?

Do yourselves a fuckin favor and quit shovelling the "clap your hands if you BELIEVE" faerytales and start discussing shit that might actually WORK instead of wasting your time on idle fantasies designed to keep you occupied doing something OTHER than fixing the goddamn problem.

Or... you can just go on eating marie antoinette cake and pretend you don't see the strings.

You wanna get a look at the real, seedy underbelly of how american politics runs, get involved *locally* and you'll soon realize that train runs on only two tracks, force and deception.

Either one of those sound like a good, pleasant way to convince folk of your earnest intentions ?

You REALLY wanna send a message to your so-called-representative who in no way actually gives a rats ass about you or your stinking poor community ?

Get yourself a posse, a bucket of corn syrup and a large bag of feathers - along with a camera crew.

FUCK nice, it's too LATE for nice, it's six YEARS too late for nice - either start playin hardball or shut up and go home.

-DrunkenRageFrem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

BADKARMA00

Friday, May 22, 2009 8:19 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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The problem usually boils down to the hard, hard work. There just aren't enough people who care enough to get out there and do the grassroots work needed to turn the system around. Or on it's ear, if you prefer

Cause they're all too damn busy trying to survive under the heel of the governments rapacious taxes.

As for how to fix it, well I made a suggestion and I'll make it again, but you'd prolly need to legalise hemp again in order to have ENOUGH rope.

As for "voting" - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Between measures that keep non-bought candidates off the ballots, in extremis even arresting them, as they did with Larouche, who is IMHO quite bonkers, but when Ramsey Clark called out the Gov on a complete and total abuse of the process that's something to make one stand up and take notice - and gerrymandering, plus the 12% "machine advantage" no one ELSE has the fucking balls to admit, and the secrecy and corruption of the electors, when are you people gonna realize that you're playing at the card sharpers table, in his house, with his marked deck ?

Do you really seriously think the powers that be would even abide by it if you somehow DID manage to get past all that crap, when even the US Constitution and the will of the people as a whole are meaningless to them and have been since 1861 ?

Do yourselves a fuckin favor and quit shovelling the "clap your hands if you BELIEVE" faerytales and start discussing shit that might actually WORK instead of wasting your time on idle fantasies designed to keep you occupied doing something OTHER than fixing the goddamn problem.

Or... you can just go on eating marie antoinette cake and pretend you don't see the strings.

You wanna get a look at the real, seedy underbelly of how american politics runs, get involved *locally* and you'll soon realize that train runs on only two tracks, force and deception.

Either one of those sound like a good, pleasant way to convince folk of your earnest intentions ?

You REALLY wanna send a message to your so-called-representative who in no way actually gives a rats ass about you or your stinking poor community ?

Get yourself a posse, a bucket of corn syrup and a large bag of feathers - along with a camera crew.

FUCK nice, it's too LATE for nice, it's six YEARS too late for nice - either start playin hardball or shut up and go home.

-DrunkenRageFrem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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*sigh*

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

SERGEANTX

Friday, May 22, 2009 9:10 AM

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Originally posted by Thundar:
Exactly. That is the root of the problem and why we are in the situation we are. Everyone has their favorites or likes what pork their guy brings home. So they keep re electing them and they stay up there forever.

Yeah... that's really the heart of the problem. Once government becomes a process of carving up the spoils, matters of principle take a backseat. That's why the good ones are anomalies when the do manage to get elected. In a sense, their electorate are schmucks who've signed up for a losing game.

SergeantX

"It's cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

SERGEANTX

Friday, May 22, 2009 9:18 AM

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Originally posted by JKiddo:
It's funny, because the way I read it, libertarians are pissed because they don't like government monkeying in business, and the left is pissed because they don't like business monkeying in government.

I'm not sure what the Libertarian Party is about these days. Seems more or less infested with Republicans too embarrassed to admit they were neo-cons. But speaking for myself, and perhaps other small "l" libertarians, we don't like either sort of monkey business. The thing is, it can become a rather subtle thing sussing out which is which. Government interference in business is instantly swamped with lobbyists and influence peddling that starts to look an awful lot like business interfering with government.

SergeantX

"It's cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

KWICKO

Friday, May 22, 2009 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by badkarma00:
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
To be entirely fair, Signy, Bush received more support for his bailout from Democrats than he did from Republicans. And Obama hasn't exactly reversed the trend.

How's about "Vote Libertarian"?

SergeantX

"It's cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

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I've always been a staunch republican, but I'm leaning that way, these days. I'm not saying I'll go there, yet, but I'm looking. I'm looking.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

Funny - I've voted pretty staunchly Democrat, and I'm leaning that way, too. Maybe I'll meet you there, 'cause neither of our current parties are doing it for me...

ETA: Note I said "pretty staunchly" - for the record, I've never voted for a Clinton. Ever.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Friday, May 22, 2009 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:

How's about "Vote Libertarian"?

Hear, Hear.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, May 22, 2009 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

The question is: What can we do about it???

Move to somewhere where the socialism is overt, and as successful as socialism gets. England, Canada, Australia, Scandinavia. And I'm not being snarky, I mean it. Considering it myself...

GEEZER

Friday, May 22, 2009 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
But poor Ford. Ford is doing everything right. They’re keeping their dealerships, all of them. They’re trying to stay competitive by offering better products. They’re raising money the old-fashioned way. And they’re getting stiffed as Germany and the USA prop up GM’s corpse and tilt the playing field. It seems to me that if the Chrysler financing arm should go to anyone, it should go to Ford.

But...But...They're CAPITALISTS!!!!

Just kidding

I agree that Ford is getting the shaft, and they'll probably also suffer from not getting any fleet sales to the Feds, who now have their own auto companies.

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The question is: What can we do about it???

Buy a Ford (Fusion Hybrid looks promising), conserve energy, search for a - relatively - socially conscious health insurance company.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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