I told you they renewed Dollhouse because they didn't want to piss off the Whedon fans...

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RAREAIR23

Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:32 AM

To comment about Dollhouse I first give my congrats to Joss, Eliza and the rest of the cast and crew. Good work. However; as I say that I cannot help but be uneasy about the renewal. History tells us with FOX and Joss AND Eliza that the latter 2 and Dollhouse are NOT out of the canceling woods yet. In case you don't remember let us then remember Eliza's other FOX show: Tru Calling.

Tru Calling in its partial Season 1 got far better ratings than Dollhouse, had good DVD earning potential and had a rabid cult fanbase asking for more. FOX saw this and gave it a full 22-episode renewal notice. Then as shooting began, everything fell apart. The 22-episode order got cut nearly in half to 14 episodes and the premiere was delayed to late February of that TV season...for no reason. Then as weeks went by the episode order went from 14 to 12 to 8 to 4 to just 2 and the premiere was set for late March. FOX showed just 1 episode and canceled Tru outright.

Let us always remember FOX has screwed over us Browncoats a ton of times over the years and have done it willingly and openly to the Hollywood crowd. Let us also remember FOX HATES the Browncoat nation and will not stop raining down fire on us until we are no more and our voice is silenced. Way I see it and point is renewing Dollhouse may look like a blessing and victory but for all we know it could but a ruse and an illusion...that leads to a curse and another loss. FOX has done this to Eliza before and Joss too...they could do it again. Exactly like they did with Tru...exactly in the same way. Always remember that. I am out!

PACHELBEL

Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:16 AM

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Originally posted by RareAir23:
To comment about Dollhouse I first give my congrats to Joss, Eliza and the rest of the cast and crew. Good work. However; as I say that I cannot help but be uneasy about the renewal. History tells us with FOX and Joss AND Eliza that the latter 2 and Dollhouse are NOT out of the canceling woods yet. In case you don't remember let us then remember Eliza's other FOX show: Tru Calling.

Tru Calling in its partial Season 1 got far better ratings than Dollhouse, had good DVD earning potential and had a rabid cult fanbase asking for more. FOX saw this and gave it a full 22-episode renewal notice. Then as shooting began, everything fell apart. The 22-episode order got cut nearly in half to 14 episodes and the premiere was delayed to late February of that TV season...for no reason. Then as weeks went by the episode order went from 14 to 12 to 8 to 4 to just 2 and the premiere was set for late March. FOX showed just 1 episode and canceled Tru outright.

Let us always remember FOX has screwed over us Browncoats a ton of times over the years and have done it willingly and openly to the Hollywood crowd. Let us also remember FOX HATES the Browncoat nation and will not stop raining down fire on us until we are no more and our voice is silenced. Way I see it and point is renewing Dollhouse may look like a blessing and victory but for all we know it could but a ruse and an illusion...that leads to a curse and another loss. FOX has done this to Eliza before and Joss too...they could do it again. Exactly like they did with Tru...exactly in the same way. Always remember that. I am out!

You know, I have to agree with the first part. 13 episodes isn't necessarily a renewal; it's a vehicle to sell another DVD set.

FILLYGIRL

Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:51 AM

I heard that Joss HIMSELF has put up HIS own money to help keep it afloat.
I dislike F*x too, but I think with the new blood over there and the huge history Joss' fans have, F*x knows it has a 'gem' in owning the rights to FF, they know it will return in some form and I think they are playing the waiting game. If they can wait long enough, when a rebirth happens, they will have control and will make most if not all of the profit. This would suck big time if the jerks that cancelled it, got to make even more money off of it!!! G*d I hope Joss can get enough money behind him to buy it back from them.

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ZEEK

Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:26 PM

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Originally posted by RareAir23:
Tru Calling in its partial Season 1 got far better ratings than Dollhouse, had good DVD earning potential and had a rabid cult fanbase asking for more. FOX saw this and gave it a full 22-episode renewal notice. Then as shooting began, everything fell apart. The 22-episode order got cut nearly in half to 14 episodes and the premiere was delayed to late February of that TV season...for no reason. Then as weeks went by the episode order went from 14 to 12 to 8 to 4 to just 2 and the premiere was set for late March. FOX showed just 1 episode and canceled Tru outright.

That's not all true. They did not show one episode before canceling the show. They canceled it before the first episode of the second season ever aired. They did air the episodes that were filmed though. There were 6 episodes aired so they never cut the order down to 4 or 2. The episodes were actually pretty good. The show was getting much better with Jason Priestly being the anti-tru.

I will say that Dollhouse does give me the same sort of feel as Tru Calling. It was a good show but not great. I was willing to watch it but I wasn't a die hard fan. We'll just have to see how this plays out.

STORYMARK

Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:56 PM

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Originally posted by RareAir23:

Let us always remember FOX has screwed over us Browncoats a ton of times over the years and have done it willingly and openly to the Hollywood crowd. Let us also remember FOX HATES the Browncoat nation and will not stop raining down fire on us until we are no more and our voice is silenced. Way I see it and point is renewing Dollhouse may look like a blessing and victory but for all we know it could but a ruse and an illusion...that leads to a curse and another loss. FOX has done this to Eliza before and Joss too...they could do it again. Exactly like they did with Tru...exactly in the same way. Always remember that. I am out!

Gee, coulda be a bit more over-dramatic?

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STORYMARK

Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:00 PM

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Originally posted by pachelbel:

You know, I have to agree with the first part. 13 episodes isn't necessarily a renewal; it's a vehicle to sell another DVD set.

*Psst* They ordered one set of episodes. Then another. That's a renewal - by definition.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

PACHELBEL

Friday, May 22, 2009 2:27 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by pachelbel:

You know, I have to agree with the first part. 13 episodes isn't necessarily a renewal; it's a vehicle to sell another DVD set.

*Psst* They ordered one set of episodes. Then another. That's a renewal - by definition.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

That's not much of a vote of confidence though, do you think? A full-season order of 22 (or 24) episodes says you've shown your chops, congratulations. 13 episodes says we don't have anything better, at least we can sell another DVD set.

If season "2" doesn't hit the ground running, I don't know if people will stick with it very long.

ASARIAN

Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
Didn't want to piss off Browncoats!!.About 7 years too fucking late,don't you think?

This is exactly what I thought. They are basically giving us Dollhouse for all the effort we put in for Firefly. What kind of thinking is that? I personally wouldn't have put any effort into saving Dollhouse. It's ok but it's nothing special to me. If I try to save a show how about you give me the one I ask for rather than associating my fandom to some other related show? It's infuriating!

Fair to say. I had rather preferred they had learned their lesson 7 years ago, too. Still, there's learning going on under our very noses, and I feel that's progress. If, for nothing else, because they seem to have grasped that when a show has the potential to be really good, you need to give it a chance, even if it's not an immediate hit.

One or two Dollhouse installments, far as I'm concerned, can be said to be on near-par with a Firefly episode. Perhaps some exec realized this too, and decided not to repeat the same mistake.

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JAMERON4EVA

Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:36 PM

Seven years to late for Browncoats yes, AND THEY FUCKED OVER TSCC TO DO IT!!!!!!!!! I AM NOTY ONLY A HARD CORE BROWNCOAT, MANTICORE'E, BUT I'M ALSO A FUCKING LOYAL ASS T-800!!!!!!! They cancelled my top show, now i have no reason to watch tv, Atlantis and BSG are gone, and NINJA Warrior is on g4, so screw FOX, and my rant is off!!!

FOLLOWMAL

Monday, July 6, 2009 2:33 AM

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Originally posted by traveler:
For whatever reason, I don't care. I think Dollhouse is a great show and I am happy to see it continue. I hope they give it a better time slot. I could see Fringe and Dollhouse back to back. They complement each other.

I'm going to be completely different here and say that I don't think they care about the Joss Whedon fans at all. I think they're joking (haha! ) when they say stuff like they're afraid of how much email they're going to get if they piss off the fans.

I think they care about the money. Period. They like making money with their own, off of their own and in this case they kill three birds with one stone. They keep Joss ( who they really want to work with ), they don't have to come up with a fresh idea, but only invest in something already going and seeing as they own it, lock, stock and barrel, they stand to make good money off of DVD sales.

I don't think they think very much about Firefly. I think they'd think about it if it would make them money, but it's not going to right now, so they aren't thinking about it right now. Maybe that will change after a couple of years of DollHouse, but I doubt it. DollHouse will be the new focus.

The folks that canceled Firefly at Fox, are no longer at Fox. Completely different people. They aren't profiting off of anything current of Joss'.

Traveler, I agree with you. DollHouse is a good show, I'm enjoying it for as long as it lasts. I'd LOVE to see it paired with Fringe!

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