Mal's gun
POSTED BY: RIPWash
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 23:13
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BSCM: The differences in the Mal's pistol could be easily explained by the idea of him loving his service sidearm and being very comfortable using it, but having picked up a newer (later-model) version in better condition somewhere in his travels. It would be everything he loved and trusted in his old sidearm, but would be in better shape. And prettier.
Just a thought.
Also, if it's a semi-auto of any kind (as the magazine would suggest), it would need to eject the shells, unless it fires shell-less rounds (think of a kind of a shell which uses some kind of rocket-type solid propellent out the back as the whole cartridge leaves the weapon.
The magazine type shown with the weapon is a stacked magazine, which means the cartridge HAS TO go somewhere once fired, or the next one in the stack can't load into the breech. If you've ever fired a semi-auto, the expended cartridges are expelled rather quickly, and you won't always see them.
Just a few things to help move stuff along for y'all...
Hey, maybe if we're allowed to manufacture weapons that stay in our own state without all the ATF hassles (and good luck to anyone who wants to try!), someone here in Texas could figure out how to make a WORKING version of Mal's gun. 'Course, y'all outside of Texas would be SOL...
Mike
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Finally, grip angle: I'm not entirely sure which bits of this gun are supposed to reciprocate during cycling, but wouldn't want the webbing of my hand in the way when they did. That old west revolver grip angle just seems too shallow for safe operation. Not to mention that this gun would be all kinds of muzzle-heavy.
I'm sorry if this post reeked of gun-nerd. But I'd love to be able to take a real-life Browncoat pistol to the range one day. Right now the closest thing out there is the Ruger Charger, which I'd love to get my hands on to try and create a reasonable Mal pistol facsimilie.
As another gun-nerd, I loved that post, because I had many of the same thoughts and reservations - especially that super-shallow grip angle shown on one of the models (all look too shallow to be readily accurate or comfortable, forcing too much wrist angle for the shooter). It looks at the very least like it would be damned uncomfortable to shoot.
As for reciprocating mass, if it were designed somewhat along the lines of a Kalashnikov, the moving parts would remain within the enclosed parts of the gun. But that brings another problem, as there's no obvious gas tube for using discharged gases to cycle the weapon's action.
I think at some point, we just kind of have to look at it and say, "It's a movie and a TV show - it doesn't HAVE to work or make sense."
But I'd still love to have a working model to take to the range...
Mike
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Personally, I'd love to get a LeMat replica with an accessory rail on the barrel and a nickle-plated shotgun barrel underneath. Like Jayne's.
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http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/C000093.htm
$63.00
Schweet.
Mike
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Personally, I'd love to get a LeMat replica with an accessory rail on the barrel and a nickle-plated shotgun barrel underneath. Like Jayne's.
Your wish is my command...
http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/C000093.htm
$63.00
Schweet.
Mike
Shit. I said "replica" when I meant "reproduction." Cheapest repro Le Mat I've seen is in the $900 range. Too rich for my blood.
Re: your earlier post: It COULD be possible that the cycling parts are completely enclosed within the gun. Thats the way a Ruger 10/22, or the Charger I mentioned, operate. And they are recoil-operated. Granted, they're .22's but the idea is sound. That also solves the problem of slide bite with the revolver grip angle. Nice thinking!
Of course, the firing pin thing is still an issue.
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Of course, the firing pin thing is still an issue.
Probably so. Although the firing pin on my AK clones is in the neighborhood of 3-3.5" long, and they don't seem to suffer too much. Heck, an AK is so damned rugged you can run over it with a tank and it'll still fire - and I've seen video of some Russians doing exactly that!
I wish they'd have given a bit more thought to the "HOW" of Mal's gun, but it seems pretty clear they wanted something that would evoke Civil War-era weaponry while still having a bit of a "techie" kind of edge to it, so we got something that looks flash, but isn't really workable. 'Course, most viewers don't notice that...
Mike
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Still, it was damned irresponsible of them to create a wholly new projectile firearm in a verse populated by literally every firearms design since 1860, then not contract with a manufacturer to produce working examples of said firearm. The lack of foresight is staggering. 
Back to the design: If the operating group (bolt, extractor/ejector, firing pin, etc.) are completely enclosed, the firing pin wouldn't need to be that all that long. However, there would be no way to use the exposed hammer. I think that we would have to choose between having an internal operating group, and an external hammer.
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Here are some very high resolution images of some guns from Firefly/Serenity. Enjoy.
http://wildzero.de/Firefly/guns/
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Holy crap YJ thats awesome!!!
EDIT: Now, that 1911-based job at #51, THAT looks doable.
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Originally posted by Beatlesfan:
Okay revival time. I've managed to find a Sidkit one, unassembled, for $250. How much did these things run before? I could cancel the order I have for the preassembled Wilco one which would give me $63 towards it. Supposedly QMx is making a Metal one but production hasn't even begun. I'm kinda afraid to miss this opportunity.
Beatlesfan... if you've indeed found a sidkit for that price and there is nothing wrong with it JUMP ON IT! Sidkit did pass away recently which was a huge hit to the community that love and respect him. He really was an excellent craftsman and a great guy! A few warnings I'll give you though. This sidkit is just that... a kit! If the previous owner didn't put it together you're going to have to. While it's not super hard it's not all that easy either. It also will come to you unfinished and made out of something called pot-metal. It's soft! Kinda like lead... you can scratch it, marr it... you gotta treat this thing with respect. It will be silver and you'll either have to paint it or pay for someone to plate it.
There's also the issue of instructions... since his site isn't up anymore you'll have to track those down. If you do get this pistol let me know and I'll find them for you. And trust me YOU WILL NEED THE INSTRUCTIONS!
If you decide to pass on this let me know please... I might be the next guy in line.
Also, a cool note about one of the models mentioned above... the Model 47. Easily the BEST fan replica out there. Our own captian Nathan Fillion is now the proud owner of one of the Model 47 pistols! I think that's pretty cool myself!
Also, a note on the Wilco... I have one... it's the most affordable of the bunch. The only other thing... IT IS MISSING THE SAFETY LEVER! They never show you that side of the gun. Not saying I have a problem with it. I bought one. It's in my collection as we speak. Sometimes I like to hold it while I watch the dvds. I am super geek!
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Hah, thanks for the advice. I didn't realize it was so fragile, but I'll definitely be careful with it. I actually thought of instructions and Google searched yesterday. Found someone who archived the instructions page off the original Sidkit site. Oddly enough, they archived the page for the gun itself, and if you click the "buy now" button you can actually pay for it...hope no one has actually tried it D:
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