Post BDM: Kaylee and Simon?
POSTED BY: Bytemite
UPDATED: Friday, September 10, 2010 03:12
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We all know Joss, and we all know Joss loves to give his characters a little bit of happiness, then YANK it all away.
So, how do you think he would metaphorically kick the puppies, stomp on the daisies, etc.?
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Good thread, Kaylee and Simon...classic Joss "doomed" relationship. They were brought together too early...end of the second season...not much story potential there and we know Joss doesn't do babies and bunnies:)...maybe a brief attempt to try again toward the end of the series, but it wouldn't have lasted.
One will die or they will agree to stay in the friends zone.
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Once the newness wore off, they'd find out they're a terrible match, end up in a bad breakup, and there would be much hostility between them.
They could do all sorts of stuff with that...and no one has to die. 
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I pretty much came to the same conclusion, one of the two of them is probably going to die.
And it'd be so OBVIOUS if it was Kaylee...
Which is why it would have to be Simon. Because then it builds on the mislead from the pilot episode (unless Joss chose to go for the "funny aneurysm moment," heck, that particular trope is NAMED after something that happened to one of his characters!). http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FunnyAneurysmMoment
And Kaylee and River both would have a bunch of character development. For River, the whole "the family you make" theme would be extended out to include the other crewmates even more, which is the general trend of the series and movie. And Kaylee, well, things ain't so shiny no more.
It's not like any of the main characters are safe, we have ample evidence for that... Which is why I'm kind of looking for any OTHER way things could possibly go pear-shaped.
Seriously, any at all... Would be much appreciated... <_<
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I do like the idea of a break-up. But I think there should be something a little more than just that they're a bad match...
I mean, considering that their main problem tended stem from their different socio-economic backgrounds, and the upcoming revelations that'll lock in a different, parallel relationship, I'm wondering just what the implications of Kaylee and Simon being a bad match might be.
Joss never seems to make it that clear-cut, either, from what my impressions are.
It might be River related... River kind of forms a non-incestuous leg of a love triangle. We see constantly the conflict Simon has between his loyalty to River and to the rest of the crew.
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I've never thought that one of them would die.
Here's the thing. They do this whole dance thing in the series, where they "like each other and get along" well enough for awhile, and then Simon will either get really formal and Kaylee will feel shut out by that, or he'll say something she views as deeply insulting to her. So there's this tension that kind of spans more than one thing.
Would Simon really be able to keep his foot out of his mouth forever? Would Kaylee be more offended or more forgiving once they're sleeping together? Also, Kaylee's kind of a flirt. Would Simon get jealous every time something came along that maybe caught her eye?
My theory is that they would just fight a lot. They'd argue, apologize, be all sweet for awhile, then argue again. Ultimately, I think Kaylee would say in anger that she didn't want to be with Simon, and he'd sulk away and shut down. It's a big ship they live on, but it's still a ship. There's no running away to the next town (Buffy and Angel) or going off to find yourself (Willow and Oz) or going back to your old life, even though it's no longer the place for you (Anya and Xander) or even just being able to avoid each other until you really want to make up (Willow and Tara) or any option other than being faced with it. The crew would have various reactions (I think there would probably be a lot of hostility towards Simon, no matter who it was to 'end it') and it would just be a kind of unusual situation. You're in space, you can't leave, how do you handle this? It could play out several interesting ways. Maybe they make up, maybe they don't. The real story is in how they handle the emotions in a closed space. Now, if they did make up, maybe one of them would die, but maybe it would just play out again with a different theme. Maybe they would make up, try to make it work, get to the point where they were just tired of trying to make it work, and break up again more amicably. It could go several ways that wouldn't involve death, and a lot more of the human emotion craziness Joss loves could be wrung out of it that way.
I have to say, I get tired of all the fic where Simon and Kaylee are just the perfect couple and they almost never argue and they get married and have hundreds of fat children. It's not only unrealistic in terms of the story, it's unrealistic in terms of Joss. Even the Mal/Inara fics tend to allow for the fact that they fight.
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And, with what is now highly suspected about Inara, we already know that she would probably have upped the death toll all by herself. Killing Simon or Kaylee as well would start to seem... needlessly macabre.
A lot of the best fic isn't romance-based, but I would love to see something written post-Serenity that deals with the issues I think Simon and Kaylee would inevitably have. Joss addresses that stuff a lot, without seeming to overwhelm the story with it. And he definitely doesn't overwhelm the stories with babies and bunnies, as was mentioned. Yeah, we got a married couple who were very much in love, but they still argued and there were no babies. And just look how that all ended up. Because it's not enough that the marriage is somewhat realistic, not enough that there's arguments, not enough that Zoe wants a baby, there has to be tragedy.
But I guess that's entertainment for ya
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I agree on most of your points. More death bad. And holy crap I ought to edit out that little slip up. Sorry everyone!
Anyway, like I was saying about your post, their relationship does have the potential for quirks and hiccups. Those are definitely conflicts that could be explored.
My only problem with it is that technically there's no character or relationship arc with that scenario. Simon and Kaylee, where do they go from here? Their story can't be something that we've already SEEN.
I mean, look at Wash and Zoe. Heart of Gold, we learn they're arguing about having kids. It was something that was revealed, something we didn't know from the pilot episode. But that could have been an arc!
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Well, you may have gathered that I don't think that Simon is actually really that into Kaylee. He said what he said during the Reaver attack when he thought he was going to die. We see them kissing at the end of the movie, which was nice for Simon/Kaylee shippers but I couldn't help thinking that that was because Mal/Inara shippers got nothing (and I say that without any bitterness at all :(). And by that I mean, there had to be SOME romance at the end of the movie, when it might have been - and dare I say it still might be - the end of Firefly for good.
So I suppose I think Simon would meet someone else. I really agree with PhoenixRose (loved that whole post by the way) about Silee fics that have them being the cutest couple the world's ever seen without any problems. Who's to say that things even went beyond that kiss?
And how upset would Kaylee be if Simon met someone else? I've made this point before and I can see it above in the comment that Kaylee is kind of a flirt, but she was real interested in Tracy for a while there.
Simon dying? That would be terrible. Don't tell cliosmuse anyone.
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Probably not as worse as River dying, though. Although I've read some fics that kill off the ENTIRE crew.
Still flyin
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