Simon the Virgin Poll
POSTED BY: howdyrockerbaby1
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 8, 2004 23:29
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Originally posted by Ruthie:
So, through his time at school, medical training, and working as a doctor, he would have behaved as a perfect gentleman towards women.
Perhaps we should ask someone who knows what goes on at an English private school. Mr. Whedon, know someone with that experience?
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Remember the old gentleman's comment to nasty Banning, about a wink of a schoolboy's eye being all the time needed to get her out of her dress?
And how offended she was by that comment?
I think Banning reacted in such a way because the gentleman was calling her a slut. I don't know if she was offended because it's true or because it's false.
Anyway my vote on Simon: not a virgin.
I think his romance with Kaylee was proceeding slowly due to the uncertainty of his future and his preoccupation with his sister's health. Another relevant factor could be his talent for saying the wrong thing at the crucial moment.
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I doubt Simon's a virgin because:
He's a very good looking man--handsome face, nice physique. He may have an awkward personality, but he's not a jerk. As a medical student/young doctor, coming from a "good" family, with great prospects for the future...*many* women would happily overlook his lack of social smoothness. Indeed, some might consider it an asset. Women would have been all over him.
And his social awkwardness is not entirely divorced from his current circumstances. He doesn't know how to talk to Kaylee or most of the other members of Serenity's crew; he's a fish out of water in their world (though he is adapting). But remember the Simon of "Ariel"? In his environment, he was deciscive, commanding, and competent, perhaps even brilliant. His colleagues--the female doctors, med students, nurses...this is the Simon they would have seen on a daily basis.
And while it's Simon we see putting his foot in his mouth with Kaylee, a smoother, more confident girl wouldn't have much trouble guiding him right past his faux pas. Kaylee is insecure with him as well. She fears he looks down on her, so when he says something stupid she gets hurt, instead of seeing through his moments of oafishness.
I expect he might have had some difficulty maintaining lasting relationships, but that's a different question...
Grace
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I agree with Grace--I'd certainly believe it if the question was whether Simon had ever had a relationship that lasted more than about six weeks (21 Jump Street flashback here...). But I'm sure he's been serially dated and dumped by about half the hospital staff everyplace that he's ever worked.
I'm still trying to work out whether "heterosexuality" "homosexuality" and "bisexuality" are concepts that have any meaning at all in the 'Verse so "about half the hospital staff" could mean various things.
And I'm still not sure if they're working off the same Bible we are (I assume Saffron was making that stuff up instead of quoting the official version) but I think it's at least a hint that although their relationship is far from perfect, Simon and Kaylee have been sexually intimate at least once. "Opened her feet" is an Old Testament metaphor for "got busy" and "bare feet" is a metaphor for "naked."
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When I think of Simon "getting his moves on" somehow i get the picture of winthorp in the movie "Trading Places"...anyone else agree? Im thinking of before he lost his job and everything, him and his girlfriend Penelope.
Anyone else agree?
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Considering that most virgins don't prance about proclaiming their virginity, I imagine you know many more virgins than you think.
I don't doubt that either. My beliefs are based on stats. Statistically speaking, as of the mid-90s I believe the average age for males losing their virginity was up to something like 14.5 (up from 13.5 in the late 80s.)
And no, I wouldn't think anyone who is an exception to the rule is lame. I was WAY above the average myself.
--Kala
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No. He would have been quite the catch back in the core. I think he did his best to be the son he was expected to be. This means he dated the right girls. It may also mean that the right girls did not do such things and he was expected to rely on other girls/boys or companions for sex.
I do wonder about jaynestown though. If that guy could be 26 and a virgin, Simon could too.
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Originally posted by kalathena:
Oh c'mon. I don't believe ANYONE over the age of 16 is a virgin...
I was a virgin in high school and college. I know lots of 20 somethings that are virgins. I know many teens that are virgins too.
www.thatweirdgirl.com
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No. And I'm not going to explain because everyone before me who also voted no has already wonderfully articulated why.
http://www.thecherryorchard.net
Those who restrain desire, do so because thiers is weak enough to be restrained.
-William Blake
O my Lord! bestow wisdom on me, and join me with the righteous.
-Qur'an 26:83
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I still think that he's a virgin. He strikes me as the type of guy who would be waiting for the right girl and when he found her, he'd marry her and then they would have all the fun they want! He's always seemed at least respectful of Book's prayers and perhaps more than that. If he was raised with the religion that Book follows then he probably would have been expected to follow the ideals of no sex before marriage. Since Simon has proven himself to be an obedient son (until River was in trouble) i think he would be obedient to the mores of his society in this way as well. After all, just because women (and possibly men) are throwing themselves at him doesn't mean that he would have to give into them.
I know that i'm losing this debate but, in the immortal words of our own Malcolm Reynolds, "May have been the losing side... still not convinced it was the wrong one." 
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