Dollhouse: Omega - Echo meets Capt. Kirk and Mr. Spock. Post comments here.

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ASARIAN

Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:36 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Sorta like that Topher made Dr. Saunders hate him. Shows he feels bad and wants to punish himself.

Yes, I thought that was an excellent twist. It goes back to what Ballard said (and Caroline, with her comment about wiping a slate clean), that you cannot erase the human soul, the essence of who they are. And that, consequently, even in their worst state and lowest descent, people always have that small voice of conscience within them, which can never quite be completely drowned out by their wrongdoings, and which always seeks and succeeds to surface, one way or the other.

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Originally posted by slayerchick:
The song was "Everybody's Gotta Love Sometimes" by Beck...it was the end credits song in the film "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind".

Missed that one. :) Nice touch, though.

Overall, I liked the season finale. It offers enough possibilities for a next season, yet also leaves me with enough of a sense of closure, should the show get canceled.

And Whiskey? If there was ever any doubt, she truly was the most beautiful doll of them all. And I happen to think Amy Acker is just an incredibly good actress. Her walking away, "I know who I am" on her lips, wow, that gave me the chills (much better, IMHO, than Echo muttering a quick "Caroline" in her sarcophagus-like bunk). So, more Whiskey, please! In fact, just leave the bottle. :)

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

SINGATE

Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:30 AM

I was a little off on the whole Whiskey thing. I thought for sure that she and Alpha came in together and that was the persona he was after. Their interaction during that client's fantasy was a dead ringer for Mickey and Mallory of Natural Born Killers...really good stuff.

Though I really enjoyed Alan's work, this episode didn't quite have the punch of last week's. The whole bit with Caroline's wedge was just stupid. He could have destroyed it at anytime, then when he tosses it, it just happens land on some pipes. Kinda lame. I guess that was to set up Ballard's "rescue" of her persona.

Speaking of Ballard I think he is trying to make the best of a no win situation. He must be hoping to take them down from the inside, perhaps with the assistance of a certain head of security. Why Dewitt doesn't have him killed is beyond me. Unless there is something deeper going on with him. Why else would they have been stringing him along this whole time? I don't think he's a doll, that would be too easy.

I thought for sure that Alpha and or "Saunders" would be dead by the end. Kudos for keeping them around. I concur with everyone who would like to see more of Whiskey. Holding out hope for a season 2 but I think the prospects are slim.

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CELLARDOOR

Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:33 AM

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Originally posted by singate:

Speaking of Ballard I think he is trying to make the best of a no win situation. He must be hoping to take them down from the inside, perhaps with the assistance of a certain head of security. Why Dewitt doesn't have him killed is beyond me. Unless there is something deeper going on with him. Why else would they have been stringing him along this whole time? I don't think he's a doll, that would be too easy.

Or shallower... some of the folks at Whedonesque think Adelle might have a thing for Paul. They may just be looking for fodder for fan fic though. ;) I agree though upon further reflection: Paul's not going to be a doll, nor is he one already.

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:34 AM

Great epp. Very complicated. Is the script posted online?

I'll wait for Star Trek on TV.

DAVESHAYNE

Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by singate:
The whole bit with Caroline's wedge was just stupid. He could have destroyed it at anytime, then when he tosses it, it just happens land on some pipes.

I thought he deliberately tossed it on the girder so Echo/Caroline would have to choose between saving herself and catching him. Though it did fall very neatly into Paul's hands I will admit.

David

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ASARIAN

Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:47 PM

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Originally posted by CellarDoor:
Or shallower... some of the folks at Whedonesque think Adelle might have a thing for Paul. They may just be looking for fodder for fan fic though. ;) I agree though upon further reflection: Paul's not going to be a doll, nor is he one already.

Or more complicated: they imprinted him with the persona of... Ballard! :) Only, this time, more amiable towards the Dollhouse.

Seriously, though, him being a doll would be pretty lame: you can only play "The 13th Floor" card so many times. I think Adelle just keeps him around because he's more useful alive than dead; alive he's a suspended fool no one believes; dead he's a good reason for the Feds to take him seriously. Also, lest we forget, at the start of the series we learned there are powers way up in the Buro that don't want to pull the plug on his investigation. And best way to alert the scout-master is to kill one of his boy-scouts. Adelle knows this, of course. Plus, I think it simply serves her to have an ear on the wall, in terms of staying informed as to how much the Buro knows exactly. Besides, if anything, this ep showed that Ballard's methodology is sound: as a Federal Agent, he falls back on proven investigative techniques that get results. And right now, Alpha is more of a threat than Ballard, really.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

SCHISM

Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:07 PM

As much as I loved the ep, I'm still wondering why Alpha;

a) Ran away when he had the upper hand

b) Ran UP a building to escape

c) Threw away his main bargaining chip

d) Wasn't pursued by the others.

Oh, and am I grasping at FF references by pointing out Topher's "put them on the shelf beside our glass jars with fireflies" reference?

ASARIAN

Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:07 PM

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Originally posted by Schism:

Good point.
By 'nobody' I just assumed he meant "it's a long story and you don't want to know".
However...
But...
Would he willingly become one?
Or is it because he plans to work for/with them, with mind intact, but nonetheless working for a no-name organization, he in essence becomes 'nobody'?

I simply took his 'nobody' as his way of not wanting to take advantage of Mellie again, after having slept with her (knowing she was a doll and all). I think. this time, he wanted to do something for her and keep his conscience clean in the process. Not exploiting the moment, saying: "I'm Paul Ballard, the Federal Agent that busted his ass to rescue you;" but just giving her back her freedom, no strings attached (including not going for the hero-worship). Remember the fat internet guy? He strongly implied Ballard just wanted to save Caroline so he could set himself up as the hero for her. Against all manner of immorality around him, I think Ballard decided to stay true to his own self: for himself, and possibly to make a point towards Adelle.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

ASARIAN

Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:31 PM

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Originally posted by Schism:
As much as I loved the ep, I'm still wondering why Alpha;

a) Ran away when he had the upper hand

b) Ran UP a building to escape

c) Threw away his main bargaining chip

d) Wasn't pursued by the others.

Yes, questions. :) Good ones! Alpha running UP a building was done, I reckon, so he could throw that hard disk down. But, in earnest, it was an incredibly stupid thing to do. With one Federal Agent and a cop downstairs, he was totally trapped and should never have made it out there.

And as much as I loved the ep, I'm still wondering why;

a) Alpha gets hit, mid-face, with a lead pipe, and seems hardly affected by it.

b) Echo gets shot in her arm/shoulder, and seems equally un-affected by it.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

GILLIANROSE

Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:13 PM

I really liked the episode a lot, and I so hope we get more. One part I thought was so moving, Echo comforting Topher at the end. Topher, the character that denies the existence of a person's immutable soul. But I have a question, and I'm throwing myself on your collective mercy if it's a stupid one. Why does autonomous/aware Echo consent to go back to the Dollhouse and be wiped again? Is it that the Dollhouse is holding her true, Caroline identity hostage? That didn't work when Alpha tried it. Did she come to some kind of agreement to go back and work with Ballard and the Dollhouse to catch Alpha?

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