Limits of State Power
POSTED BY: SergeantX
UPDATED: Sunday, December 14, 2025 21:53
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Quote:or starved? You seem to think that good jobs just fall offa trees or something.
without getting lashed
ETA: What I'm getting out of your comments, Sarge, is not that you're really against pain, danger, or death. After all, you say you'd rather starve to death, or court death being an "outlaw". That corporations can dish it out as well as, or more than, governments doens't seem to bother you.
No, what REALLY bothers you is the fact that government represents some sort of "authority". BFD. Has anyone ever mentioned that you might have ODD?
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Originally posted by rue:
LIbertarianism - seems to me to be about small - or best - no - government, and letting the marketplace decide. Neither one precludes slavery.
After all the discussions of libertarianism that have occurred on this board, and all the times you have participated, I find it astounding that you have grasped so little of the idea. Do you not ever listen at all? Are you unwilling to do even the slightest research into any idea that doesn't fit your world-view?
Or maybe you just like to argue.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
So, is there any chance of getting back to the topic?
No. When Rue and SignyM go into tag-team insult mode, you might as well forget it. Too bad. Sorry I missed what could have been an intersting discussion.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:or starved? You seem to think that good jobs just fall offa trees or something.
without getting lashed
I think nothing of the sort. You've created that one on your own.
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No, what REALLY bothers you is the fact that government represents some sort of "authority". BFD. Has anyone ever mentioned that you might have ODD?
Wow... you really don't understand me in the slightest. How's about you stow Dr. Phil diagnoses, mkay? Is it really necessary to ascribe evil motivations or mental illness to someone just because they disagree with you?
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ETA: What I'm getting out of your comments, Sarge, is not that you're really against pain, danger, or death.
Perhaps you should read closer. I said nothing of the sort.
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After all, you say you'd rather starve to death, or court death being an "outlaw".
well, I didn't say I'd want starve to "death", but I would choose to face the possibility of starving, or to break the law, rather than voluntarily become a slave, or commit my children to the same, yes. That doesn't seem to me an outrageous conviction.
Honestly Signym, you seem to have reached the point where you think it's necessary to demonize me to make your point, and that's getting old.
Is there any chance you'll address the issues I mentioned earlier? I'm honestly curious how socialism resolves the dilemma. To me, it seems like a contradiction.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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To recap.... Your beef is with government power because government has guns. I said that capitalism can also be coercive through threat of pain and death by other means (altho capitalists have been known to break kneecaps too). You seem to think that government coercion is somehow different from capitalist coercion for reasons that I can't quite fathom, and that one path represents authoritarianism while the other represents freedom. Can you explain that, Sarge? 'Cause I'm not trying to demonize you, I'm just trying to figure out why you willingly accept coercion from one direction (and call it freedom) but not from another.
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Why is it when we get into this discussion about Corporate power that no one ever remembers the role of the government, and it's fucking military forces, in putting down and suppressing the natural check and balance of labor unions and/or collectives of people willing to demand their fair share ?
Time and time again, I've said it - if the government had not aided and abetted these bastards by destroying and outlawing the natural check and balance to them, that kind of situation simply does not happen.
Now, I'll give that people as a whole are mentally, socially and emotionally different now than in the latter half of the 19th and early 20th centuries - meeker, more tolerant of abuses, especially those that don't affect them directly, and far less willing, hell, less ABLE, to use violence even when it may become necessary, and incompetent at it when they do, which is imho the result of social engineering to bring about that exact result.
So it's not like we can turn the clock back, changes like that don't happen overnight, but the up and coming generations are again, imho, far less inclined to take that shit than we are, bloody hell, I've spent a lifetime helping that along - but again, when a corporation can depend on the entire weight of government to protect it, and your only options are playing a rigged game they own lock stock and barrel, or facing the combined might of the corporation, the legal system, the government, and the military - you cannot lay sole blame at the feet of the corporations.
Just thought that needed a mention - again.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by SergeantX
Is there any chance you'll address the issues I mentioned earlier?Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
To recap.... Your beef is ....
*sigh*
Suppose I'll take that as a "no". I'd hoped you'd be more interested in explaining your position.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Yes, dear. We've heard that before.
And one of the things I keep pounding on is to break up concentrations (and collusions) of power WHEREVER they occur: government and money, money and media, media and religion etc. You can't just raze it all to the ground and expect it to stay that way... equality is an unstable state. There has to be an active and ongoing effort to KEEP things fair. The "natural forces" of negotiation and resistance doesn't hack it.... if it did, humans wouldn't keep re-building tall pyramids of authority over and over and over again.
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Well, I was hoping you'd explain yours. Because I see coercion and power gathering in many centers... not just the government. You seem to think that is the ONLY authority that counts. Frankly, I think you're giving the government far more authority than it actually has.
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, I was hoping you'd explain yours.
I'd be glad to. In another thread perhaps. But the equivalence of economic power and physical coercion is merely a distraction from the topic at hand.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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