The end of free content?
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Monday, August 25, 2025 17:37
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Originally posted by SignyM:
My ideal government? Wow, that would take pages. I'm not sure I've fully thought it out yet, but when I have time I'll give it a shot...
But what about the questions? The aspect I'm particularly interested in is:
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what are the limits of your government run paradise? What wouldn't you put government in charge of? What are the limits of your ideal system and how would you go about defining them?
To get you started:
Does the government decide what we do for a living?
Does the government decide where we can live?
Does the government decide whom we marry? If we can have children?
But the point is not to answer these specific questions. I'm trying to determine what guiding principles you'd used to determine the limits on government power, if indeed there are any.
SergeantX
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Quote:I guess YOU approve of corporations controlling the message? In any case both the BBC and CBC manage to avoid this. It's not inevitable.
I take it this assumes that you, or folk you approve of, will be running the government at this point, so the message the government-funded media provides will be approved and appropriate.
Quote:Because they're run differently. Nothing says we have to adopt their model. Maybe providing more funds to NPR - which gets high marks for objective and in-depth reporting- would be a good start.
I notice you didn't include Russia's government funded, and run, media in your list.
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Originally posted by SignyM:
The rich can afford Lexis Nexis searches. They can buy the insight of, and access to, TPTB. They already have channels of communication amongst themselves. The powerless- that's us- have the internet and google and access to whatever free content we can get. The so-called "free market" is NOT a panacea... it is a hurricane of money, nothing more and nothing less. EVEN IF you could raze it to the ground, it would quickly re-create a monopolistic, uneven structure. A structure which is very much at odds with the future that you envision.
I think Leonard Cohen said it best:
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'Cause you can say that I've grown bitter,
but of this you may be sure:
The rich have got their channels
in the bedrooms of the poor.
And there's a mighty judgment coming,
but I may be wrong.
Mike
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Mike: Thanks for bringing this back on-track.
Sarge: My view of the government is an entity which actively redistributes power, but which itself has a very short pyramid and is responsive to the people for whom it works. I will try to address this later. The answers to your questions are: no, no, and no.
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I will try to address this later. The answers to your questions are: no, no, and no.
Please do. Like I said, I'd mostly like some clarity on where the limits lie and how you draw them. I'm glad to hear you answered "no" to all the questions, but the point is the reasoning that led you to those answers.
EDIT: How about another thread? This is off-topic, much as a tried to avoid it.
SergeantX
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Quote:I’d rather them control the message then the government. At least when corporations do it, there is more then just one voice and the government exists to act as some form of buffer to limit excess. This is why I can’t be a Left-winger. I can’t see how giving total control to a single all powerful entity makes us more free then if total control rests in the hands of many quasi-powerful entities. It doesn’t make the least bit of sense.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:I guess YOU approve of corporations controlling the message?
I take it this assumes that you, or folk you approve of, will be running the government at this point, so the message the government-funded media provides will be approved and appropriate.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I guess YOU approve of corporations controlling the message? In any case both the BBC and CBC manage to avoid this.
I don't approve of anybody controlling all the media. Even PN has a place. And are you sure that BBC and CBC are so pure? Maybe they're just subtle.
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Maybe providing more funds to NPR - which gets high marks for objective and in-depth reporting- would be a good start.
NPR gets about a quarter of its funds from government, and is always being threatened by congress with cuts if it gets too far out of line.
Do you really trust the US government, which you accuse of torture, invasion of privacy, imperialism, disregard for environmental problems, support of the rich in the face of poverty, etc. etc. etc., with controlling the purse strings, and therefore the content of the media?
It's always strange to me that you claim to hate and fear the government, yet consistantly want to give it more control of every aspect of our lives. Even if folk you hate and fear less are in control now, things may change with any election. History shows that partys and philosophies go in cycles. Would you want a Dick Cheney clone controlling the media?
I'd be happier with news corporations and nutso bloggers.
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