Moon. You guys seen this?
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How do you KNOW men walked on The Moon, if you weren't on The Moon to see them?
How do you KNOW men DIDN'T walk on the moon, if you weren't there to see them not land there?
2 words : GAMMA RAYS
The surface of the Moon has more gamma rays than the surface of the Sun, according to NASA Moon maps. This is because the 6-million mph Solar wind repels cosmic gamma rays, and the Moon lacks a magnetic force field like the Earth, since it has a solid core.
Global Elemental Maps of the Moon: The Lunar Prospector Gamma-Ray Spectrometer
www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1484
GAMMA RAY SPECTROMETER RESULTS
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/gamres.htm&usg=AFQjCNHBRWbdAAfhn5Gms
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NASA had no idea how much gamma rays were on the Moon until 30 years after Apollo, when Lunar orbiters took these images in the 1990s.
If you don't know what a gamma ray is, google it.
Hey, PN?
It looks like (a) your link is broken, and (b) that map is for IRON distribution, which has little to nothing to do with Gamma Rays.
And if you think the moon puts out more Gamma Rays than the sun, you really need to go back to "skool" and learn some more about cosmology.
BTW, why are you trying to link to a NASA site in the first place? Why on Earth (or the moon) would you trust anything they put up, and why would you point to it to "prove" your point, if you had one?
Mike
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Originally posted by piratenews:Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:Quote:
How do you KNOW men walked on The Moon, if you weren't on The Moon to see them?
How do you KNOW men DIDN'T walk on the moon, if you weren't there to see them not land there?
2 words : GAMMA RAYS
The surface of the Moon has more gamma rays than the surface of the Sun, according to NASA Moon maps. This is because the 6-million mph Solar wind repels cosmic gamma rays, and the Moon lacks a magnetic force field like the Earth, since it has a solid core.
Global Elemental Maps of the Moon: The Lunar Prospector Gamma-Ray Spectrometer
www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1484
GAMMA RAY SPECTROMETER RESULTS
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/gamres.htm&usg=AFQjCNHBRWbdAAfhn5Gms
HglRli2-bvYwA
NASA had no idea how much gamma rays were on the Moon until 30 years after Apollo, when Lunar orbiters took these images in the 1990s.
If you don't know what a gamma ray is, google it.
Hey, PN?
It looks like (a) your link is broken, and (b) that map is for IRON distribution, which has little to nothing to do with Gamma Rays.
And if you think the moon puts out more Gamma Rays than the sun, you really need to go back to "skool" and learn some more about cosmology.
BTW, why are you trying to link to a NASA site in the first place? Why on Earth (or the moon) would you trust anything they put up, and why would you point to it to "prove" your point, if you had one?
Mike
The link is good, just have to cut the junk after .htm. Or google.
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/gamres.htm
Was that so hard to figure out?
NASA supplies all the proof you need to prove Apolloscam. All court cases are won or lost by simply using admissions and confessions against the person who said them. I was in court today, and saw a judge and prosecutor conspire to suborn perjury from drug-dealing cops, while ignoring every rule of law, including banning all news media from the courtroom (myself included).
That's why the Moon Hoax Club is more fun than the Apollo Is God Club. We actually read NASA's Apollo "data", instead of ignore the data.
NASA maps show gamma rays on 100% of the Moon. That's a little bit worse than sunburn on Earth.
Here's the NASA GAmma Ray Space Telescope, run by The Bad Astronomer, who sells the BS that Apollo walked on the Moon, while censoring the fact he is employed by NASA studying GAMMA RAYS in space.
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Gamma Ray image of Sun
FERMI GAMMA RAY SPACE TELESCOPE
GLAST could lead to important breakthroughs in this area. It will complement NASA's Reuven Ramaty High Energy Solar Spectroscopic Imager (RHESSI) mission, a satellite launched in 2002. RHESSI detects solar-flare gamma rays with energies up to about 20 MeV. The LAT will extend this range to higher than 300 GeV, which will enable astronomers to test theories that have been developed based on data from RHESSI and other instruments.
GLAST may also yield interesting results pertaining to other solar-system bodies. Surprisingly, the Moon is a moderately bright gamma-ray source. As Thompson says, "The only part of the electromagnetic spectrum where the Moon is brighter than the Sun is gamma rays." Being a cold, mostly inert object, the Moon is utterly incapable of producing gamma rays on its own. But cosmic-ray particles slamming into the lunar surface produce secondary gamma rays."
www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/science/solar_system.html
I repeat, quoting from NASA: "The only part of the electromagnetic spectrum where the Moon is brighter than the Sun is GAMMA RAYS." The Sun puts out up to 300 Billion Electron Volts, but the Moon is more than that...
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High energy diagnostic medical x-ray photons = 200,000 eV
Typical energies from nuclear decay:
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Where did you go to high school? Neanderthal high?
Cobalt-60 is no more dangerous than any other radioactive material. It does not need a huge water pool to shield it. A little lead and stainless steel does the trick just fine.
The astronauts were exposed to radiation during their trip. About as much as four or five chest x-rays. Certainly not fatal.
Beta radiation can be stopped by thin metal and alpha wouldn't even penetrate a sheet of notebook paper.
Cobalt-60 is a manufactured isotope. My girlfriend spent considerable time exposed to Cobalt- 60 during her radiation treatments for her cancer this past winter. She's doing quite well and is in remission. All thanks to Gamma radiation.
Radiation exposure decreases over distance. That's why you personally don't have cancer from Chernobyl.
For example. If someone were to expose a high energy gamma source, at ten feet, you'd be dead in about a week. two hundred yards and you might get cancer in a few years.
one mile.. you just got an x-ray... no big deal.
Simple physics.
Gamma will not immediately kill a human being. The poor souls who tried to contain the Chernobyl reactor proved that. Some died within hours, true but they were essentially walking on top of an exposed reactor pile.
As for the LEM...
Would you let some snot nosed little kid crawl around 20 million dollars worth of anything, let alone an historical artifact.
Hell no. The few left over LEM's are where they need to be. Museums. Look but don't touch.
The moon is only 1/6th earth gravity. in that environment, crawling around the LEM is fairly easy. they left out the seats because they were heavy. they don't weigh anything in space but they have mass. it takes fuel to move mass.
Yet again, simple physics.
No rocket flame? Give me a break...
Ever seen methanol, Methane or pure hydrogen burn?
Me either since none of those substances produces a visible flame in sunlight. Drive by your local landfill and check out the Methane torches in daylight and at night and you'll see what I mean.
In space, despite the dark sky (no air) it is very bright. Hence the non-visible rocket flame. If you look at the space shuttle main engines when they fire, it's not very bright due to the hydrogen oxygen fuel mix. The boosters make all the fire and smoke since the solid fuel is over 75% powdered aluminum.
The Apollo Saturn Five used straight old Kerosene and oxygen for fuel. Lots of pretty fire.
The LEM used hypergolic fuels. very clean burning
Standing up and bumping the controls?
On liftoff from the moon, they are going from 1/6th G to about 3/4 of a G. I think even I could stand up steadily under that kind of acceleration. Pilots in modern day fighter aircraft pull 9 G's and they don't over control.
Also, the LEM flew mostly on it's computer.
No sound?
No sound in space... Sound is vibrations in a fluid. Air or water. Neither one in space so no sound. Not to mention, the shot you posted was taken by a camera on the lunar rover. I seriously doubt it had a microphone attached.
We can play this game as long as you want but I tire of it.
I started this thread to discuss what looked to be an interesting movie. Not get into a debate about your beliefs or my own.
Like I said before, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. Let us agree to disagree. Let this thread die and get on with our lives.
Brian
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Here's how the Moon landing REALLY happened:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=6
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No sound in space? What about inside the LEM, touching the rocket motor with your legs and ass? The LEM had an atmosphere, and astronots without helmets talking on open-mike headsets, without any inflection in a quiet voice.
The gamma radiation on the Moon is at point-blank range, at higher levels than the surface of the Sun. Or didn't you read the NASA links and quotes?
The Space shuttle thruster engines use the same Aerozine 50 fuel as the LEM, and are bright white and easily visible. Gemini Titan ICBM booster also uses hydrazine, and have a bright flame on Earth.
Thunderbird LEM's are GO with zero rocket exhaust:
Hydrazine Aerozine rockets have severe pogo, making it impossible to stand on the LEM, which was merely an aluminum can, unable to hold air pressure:
www.aero.org/publications/crosslink/winter2004/05.html
The LEMon had an unstable CG which thrusters cannot control, hence Armstrong crashed on Earth just trying to fly stationary at extremely low altitude at zero forward speed.
The actual LEM did not have a gimballed main engine unlike the simulator, and the sim used a jet not a rocket, while sitting down, so the LEM pilots NEVER got realistic training on Earth. The proper way to test it was to kick it out of a jet at 40,000 feet at 600 mph, not playing hovercraft on the ground.
Note the Hollywood lie, "I've lost thrusters," before the crash. In reality, the thrusters fired at the point of ejection, except they only control the craft in zero G.
Note the thrusters firing constantly on the LLRV simulator on Earth, but you never see thrusters firing on the LEM in space, even when it makes sudden maneuvers then stops suddenly.
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The distribution of ground-level neutron radiation around the Moon's south pole. "Hot spots" are red; cool spots, blue
Radioactive Moon
How much radiation awaits lunar colonists? A new NASA mission aims to find out.
September 8, 2005: On the Moon, many of the things that can kill you are invisible: breathtaking vacuum, extreme temperatures and space radiation top the list.
Vacuum and temperature NASA can handle; spacesuits and habitats provide plenty of air and insulation. Radiation, though, is trickier.
The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar flares, and some of that radiation is very hard to stop with shielding. Furthermore, when cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous spray of secondary particles right at your feet. All this radiation penetrating human flesh can damage DNA, boosting the risk of cancer and other maladies.
Out in deep space, radiation comes from all directions. On the Moon, you might expect the ground, at least, to provide some relief, with the solid body of the Moon blocking radiation from below. Not so.
When galactic cosmic rays collide with particles in the lunar surface, they trigger little nuclear reactions that release yet more radiation in the form of neutrons. The lunar surface itself is radioactive!
So which is worse for astronauts: cosmic rays from above or neutrons from below? Igor Mitrofanov, a scientist at the Institute for Space Research and the Russian Federal Space Agency, Moscow, offers a grim answer: "Both are worse."
The first global mapping of neutron radiation from the Moon was performed by NASA's Lunar Prospector probe in 1998-99.
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More proof: the astronauts left a mirror on the moon so we could bounce a laser off it to measure the distance. If we didn't go there and leave a mirror, how does the laser light get bouced back?
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060713/news_lz1c13laser.html
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2 words: MOON BOUNCEQuote:
On January 10, 1946 ,a radio amateur in the US Army Signal Corps bounced a radar beam off the moon, marking the first Earth-Moon-Earth transmission. Amateurs using EME today continue to explore the boundaries of radio technology, and its popularity continues to grow.
Um, you totally ignored the point of my post. EXPLAIN to me HOW the MIRRORS got on the Moon that BOUNCED LASER LIGHT off them. NOT radio or radar waves. LASER LIGHT does not bounce off the Moon. It takes a mirror or other very flat smooth reflective surface to do so. THERE IS NO SUCH NATURALLY OCCURRING SURFACE ON THE MOON.
And what does the hammer & feather experiement have to do with it? NOTHING. Answer my original question, and stop your diversions.
You are a desperate person grasping at straws.
(a.k.a. wydraz)
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Originally posted by piratenews:Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:Quote:
How do you KNOW men walked on The Moon, if you weren't on The Moon to see them?
How do you KNOW men DIDN'T walk on the moon, if you weren't there to see them not land there?
2 words : GAMMA RAYS
The surface of the Moon has more gamma rays than the surface of the Sun, according to NASA Moon maps. This is because the 6-million mph Solar wind repels cosmic gamma rays, and the Moon lacks a magnetic force field like the Earth, since it has a solid core.
Global Elemental Maps of the Moon: The Lunar Prospector Gamma-Ray Spectrometer
www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1484
GAMMA RAY SPECTROMETER RESULTS
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/gamres.htm&usg=AFQjCNHBRWbdAAfhn5Gms
HglRli2-bvYwA
NASA had no idea how much gamma rays were on the Moon until 30 years after Apollo, when Lunar orbiters took these images in the 1990s.
If you don't know what a gamma ray is, google it.
Okay so there are Gamma Rays on the Moon and NASA didn't know of them until some time after they landed men on the Moon, so why exactly is that considered as evidence that they didn't place men on the Moon? I read up on X-Rays and gamma rays and according to the article it said gamma rays were the most destructive form of radiation, but it also said that gamma rays were used as treatment to curing cancer. My question is could the suits the Astronauts wore have protected them from a threat NASA did not even know of like Gamma Rays?
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Originally posted by rallem:
Okay so there are Gamma Rays on the Moon and NASA didn't know of them until some time after they landed men on the Moon, so why exactly is that considered as evidence that they didn't place men on the Moon? I read up on X-Rays and gamma rays and according to the article it said gamma rays were the most destructive form of radiation, but it also said that gamma rays were used as treatment to curing cancer. My question is could the suits the Astronauts wore have protected them from a threat NASA did not even know of like Gamma Rays?
Gamma Rays KILL ALL HUMAN CELLS with cancerous immortality.
Gamma Rays KILL ALL HUMAN CELLS period.
Gamma Rays KILL ALL LIVING FLESH ON CONTACT.
Gamma Rays penetrate SEVERAL FEET into human tissue - it's NOT skin deep like UV.
Cloth space suits with plastic helmets and foil visors offer ZERO protection from gamma rays. In fact, when a gamma rays hits a spacesuit, helmet or visor is STARTS A NUCLEAR CHAIN REACTION which MAKES THE SPACESUIT RADIOACTIVE and INCREASES THE RADIATION.
Over 700,000 US Iraq War veterans are now paid disability pensions, with over 70,000 dead, according to US Govt Veterans Administration, not counting Social Security pensions. Much or most of those injuries are due to so-called "Depleted Uranium" which is radioactive for 35-BILLION years, and is used in all bullets and tank armor. It first gives off alpha radiation, which is deadly when inhaled or eaten, and spontaneously combusts when fired from a gun. The alpha radiation then degrates into beta radiation and gamma radiation., inside the human body.
Birth defects in Iraq are now horrendous, as well as birth defects for US troops, due to DU dust.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=depleted+uranium&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=
When I loaded nukes for Uncle Scam, I was never allowed radiation testing, not on me and not on the nukes. Like an idiot I didn't question that at the time. But now I've been disabled for 12 years, just like some of the guys I worked with every day (who may be dead now).
Uncle Scam don't give a damn about killing its employees, with radiation or anything else. What Uncle Scam CANNOT tolerate is killing its employees on live TeeVee. That panics the sheeple or triggers Revolution.
The REAL Moon program was Top Secret, with the real astronauts never identified, and probably only Russians. They did not survive the trip. So there proably are DEAD astronauts on the Moon today, either corpsified in their spaceship on the surface, or vaporized in a new crater.
Cremated human corpses also have actually "landed" on the Moon, for rich folks paying to have their ashes crashed into the surface.
So NASA can say with a straight face that humans did "go" to the Moon. Just not the named Apollo astronots.
Radiation is NOT good for you
www.gulfwarvets.com
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Originally posted by GreenFaerie:
Um, you totally ignored the point of my post. EXPLAIN to me HOW the MIRRORS got on the Moon that BOUNCED LASER LIGHT off them. NOT radio or radar waves. LASER LIGHT does not bounce off the Moon. It takes a mirror or other very flat smooth reflective surface to do so. THERE IS NO SUCH NATURALLY OCCURRING SURFACE ON THE MOON.
And what does the hammer & feather experiement have to do with it? NOTHING. Answer my original question, and stop your diversions.
You totally ignored my answer. Either atronomers use the Russian reflectors on the Moon, or bounced a laser off the Lunar surface, or LIED. After all, only THREE PHOTONS actually "bounce back" from the Moon from the world's most powerful laser beam, which could just be random light noise. Radio Moonbounce is how NASA has always measured the distance to the Moon, not with laser beams.
NASA claims the hammer/feather is NASA's best proof. I agree with you that it proves nothing to benefit NASA.
Google Operation Northwoods, and read the declassified Pentagon document, and the ABC News report about it on 1 May 2001. See what it says about killing astronots, and its confession how Uncle Scam will lie about everything, including the space program.
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Originally posted by rallem:
Okay so there are Gamma Rays on the Moon and NASA didn't know of them until some time after they landed men on the Moon, so why exactly is that considered as evidence that they didn't place men on the Moon? I read up on X-Rays and gamma rays and according to the article it said gamma rays were the most destructive form of radiation, but it also said that gamma rays were used as treatment to curing cancer. My question is could the suits the Astronauts wore have protected them from a threat NASA did not even know of like Gamma Rays?
Gamma Rays KILL ALL HUMAN CELLS with cancerous immortality.
Gamma Rays KILL ALL HUMAN CELLS period.
Gamma Rays KILL ALL LIVING FLESH ON CONTACT.
Gamma Rays penetrate SEVERAL FEET into human tissue - it's NOT skin deep like UV.
Cloth space suits with plastic helmets and foil visors offer ZERO protection from gamma rays. In fact, when a gamma rays hits a spacesuit, helmet or visor is STARTS A NUCLEAR CHAIN REACTION which MAKES THE SPACESUIT RADIOACTIVE and INCREASES THE RADIATION.
Over 700,000 US Iraq War veterans are now paid disability pensions, with over 70,000 dead, according to US Govt Veterans Administration, not counting Social Security pensions. Much or most of those injuries are due to so-called "Depleted Uranium" which is radioactive for 35-BILLION years, and is used in all bullets and tank armor. It first gives off alpha radiation, which is deadly when inhaled or eaten, and spontaneously combusts when fired from a gun. The alpha radiation then degrates into beta radiation and gamma radiation., inside the human body.
Birth defects in Iraq are now horrendous, as well as birth defects for US troops, due to DU dust.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=depleted+uranium&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=
When I loaded nukes for Uncle Scam, I was never allowed radiation testing, not on me and not on the nukes. Like an idiot I didn't question that at the time. But now I've been disabled for 12 years, just like some of the guys I worked with every day (who may be dead now).
Uncle Scam don't give a damn about killing its employees, with radiation or anything else. What Uncle Scam CANNOT tolerate is killing its employees on live TeeVee. That panics the sheeple or triggers Revolution.
The REAL Moon program was Top Secret, with the real astronauts never identified, and probably only Russians. They did not survive the trip. So there proably are DEAD astronauts on the Moon today, either corpsified in their spaceship on the surface, or vaporized in a new crater.
Cremated human corpses also have actually "landed" on the Moon, for rich folks paying to have their ashes crashed into the surface.
So NASA can say with a straight face that humans did "go" to the Moon. Just not the named Apollo astronots.
Radiation is NOT good for you
www.gulfwarvets.com
Gamma Ray:
n.
Electromagnetic radiation emitted by radioactive decay and having energies in a range from ten thousand (104) to ten million (107) electron volts
High-energy electromagnetic radiation emitted from atomic nuclei during a nuclear reaction. Gamma rays and very-high-energy X rays differ only in origin (X rays do not originate from atomic nuclei).
Penetrating very short-wavelength electromagnetic radiation, similar to an X-ray but of higher energy, that is emitted spontaneously by some radioactive substances. Gamma radiation also originates in the decay of certain subatomic particles and in particle-antiparticle annihilation. Gamma rays can initiate nuclear fission, can be absorbed by ejection of an electron, and can be scattered by free electrons.
High frequency electromagnetic radiation from radioactive particles.
Gamma rays are like the light we see with our eyes, the x-rays used to probe our bodies in search of problems, and the radio waves that our television sets translate into inane shows. The only difference among these types o
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Piratenews,
The moon landing was our greatest achievement.
The hard work of NASA, and the courageous astronauts did something fairy tales can't even match. They broke the bonds of disbelief, and real world weariness in a troubled time. And for once, and maybe one time only our beautiful earth, and all it's people were renewed with a sense of hope, and wonderment.
Of course since that time our space program has fallen apart. People in general could give a rat's ass about anything space related.
But back to the point.....how dare you sir!
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