To Whom It May Concern: Future Quotes Finale

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DELIA

Monday, June 7, 2004 11:53 AM

Zoid,

I love it! Thank you so much for the explanation. Mysteries are fun as far as they go, but at some point, it's good to know how things ended. (And I like the Mal Reynolds stuff, though I thought my Book theory was fairly well supported, too.)

Sorry if my absence alarmed you (actually, it's nice to know someone noticed I disappeared for three days!). I'm home visiting my parents, which means much more limited internet than I'm used to.

I have a truly minor question about Kaylee and Simon. You gave us the names of her first 2 children -- what about the other four?

Delia

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Angelus: Lacks... poetry.
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BROWNCOAT1

Monday, June 7, 2004 4:26 PM

Very interesting and well thought out potential story line Zoid.

I did catch on to the fact that Mal's quote was in the present tense and everyone else's was in the past tense. I put two and two together and figured the "mystery" man that sacrificed his life for independence was Mal.

Honestly Mal dying in the cause of freedom seems "right". It would be a good death and would bring Mal full circle.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

NICOLACLARKE

Monday, June 7, 2004 5:16 PM

Browncoat1 and Zoid: Hmm... part of me agrees that a glorious save-the-world type death would be a good one for Mal. But it also seems to me that so much of the show so far* has been about finding a way to live after the war. Might that not go as much for post-victory as post-defeat? The former can be just as difficult as the latter, sometimes. I'd be interested to see how Mal would function once he's accomplished his mission (I assume it will be his mission, eventually).

[ * note optimism/denial re. continuation ]

Life goes on, y'know? A bit like the idea behind Buffy season 6, although hopefully not as dull & depressing... *ducks*

I also think there will be many more twists and turns in the story yet. I find it hard to believe that Joss was planning to stay with exactly the same setup throughout the show - i.e. Independents good, Alliance bad. I'm hoping it'll become more nuanced than that. I guess things are heading that way with 'The Message' and 'Dead or Alive', showing that individual Independents can be somewhat unscrupulous, but Inara is thus far the only sympathetic pro-Alliance figure we've met - and that aspect of her hasn't been explored (yet).

It occurs to me now that she only said in 'Out of Gas' that she supported Unification. Past tense. I wonder if her time with Serenity and the border planets and Mal has changed her outlook at all?

Zoid, fascinating to see all the future quotes together and thank you v much for the explanations. I like the Book/Wilkins theory very much. Every time I re-watch an episode, I get more intrigued by that guy. I also love the irony that not-exactly-observant Jayne is consistently the only one (except in 'Safe') who raises doubts about him.

That said, I think you're possibly being a bit optimistic that the characters will a) nearly all survive, and b) remain in much the same couple-y permutations as they're in at the moment. Remember that this is a Joss Whedon show...

Nic

/ pure intentions, juxtaposed /

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, June 7, 2004 5:55 PM

Nicolaclarke wrote:

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I also think there will be many more twists and turns in the story yet. I find it hard to believe that Joss was planning to stay with exactly the same setup throughout the show - i.e. Independents good, Alliance bad. I'm hoping it'll become more nuanced than that. I guess things are heading that way with 'The Message' and 'Dead or Alive', showing that individual Independents can be somewhat unscrupulous, but Inara is thus far the only sympathetic pro-Alliance figure we've met - and that aspect of her hasn't been explored (yet).

It occurs to me now that she only said in 'Out of Gas' that she supported Unification. Past tense. I wonder if her time with Serenity and the border planets and Mal has changed her outlook at all?

I have wondered this myself Nic, several times in fact. The flashback in OoG of Inara's touring the shuttle shows us that she did in fact support Unification. I wonder though if her attitude has changed at all, and if so, to what degree. Surely she has seen the neglect of border worlds by the Alliance. She has also seen first hand the heavy handed tactics of the Alliance in dealing w/ the crew of Serenity and others.

I wonder if Inara would be so quick to support Unification if she knew then what she knows now.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

ASTRIANA

Monday, June 7, 2004 6:50 PM

I've loved this series of quote Zoid, and although you've stated that you wouldn't be writing a fanfic about it, it would be nice to read about all the twists and turns along the way... Perhaps you'd extend permission for one of the many talented fic writers here to flesh it out? (Just a thought...)

I was actually very surprised and gratified to see that I was right about River's quote being about Mal. That was my initial reaction, although I kind of backed off of that opinion and decided to wait and see after your "can you figure it out" challenge... I thought that if I guessed it was Mal so quickly, there might be some form of misdirection involved.

Oh, and by the way...

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Originally posted by Zoid:
and Wash as a warrant officer army pilot (foreshadowed, last name 'Warren'; with apologies to Astriana, whom I know hates that name).

I actually don't hate the name, so much as refuse to accept it until I see it in canon. One of those "don't get locked in" situations...

I'd like to see what Joss has to say about keeping Wash's and Zoe's names so completely swathed in mystery (using the same "look over here" tactic, IMHO).

Overall, I've loved the series and how the story played out with the quotes. Nicely done, sir, nicely done.

~A~
El Jefe Magnifico's Mistress... of Communications and Harems...

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

SHINYSEVEN

Monday, June 7, 2004 6:56 PM

Delia asked: I have a truly minor question about Kaylee and Simon. You gave us the names of her first 2 children -- what about the other four?

AND who the fathers of the other two are--in this reading, Simon has four kids and Kaylee has six.

Sadistic crap legitimized by florid prose

SHINYSEVEN

Monday, June 7, 2004 7:01 PM

NicolaClarke said:

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It occurs to me now that she only said in 'Out of Gas' that she supported Unification. Past tense. I wonder if her time with Serenity and the border planets and Mal has changed her outlook at all?

Browncoat1 replied (snipped):

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The flashback in OoG of Inara's touring the shuttle shows us that she did in fact support Unification. I wonder though if her attitude has changed at all, and if so, to what degree..
I wonder if Inara would be so quick to support Unification if she knew then what she knows now.

She SAID it,sure, but I'm not convinced she meant it even then. I suspect that "there was something that bothered her" about Mal right off the bat, and she was just yanking his chain.

Sadistic crap legitimized by florid prose

SHINY

Monday, June 7, 2004 8:06 PM

AHHHHH!!! You should have put spoiler tags around that! Now you've spoiled all 6 seasons of soon-to-be-returned-to-network-TV Firefly!!!

Seriously, Zoid, that was ruttin' awesome. Way to go with all the ponderous creativisizing and imaginifying!

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KARENKAY99

Monday, June 7, 2004 8:30 PM

very good zoid!! put a tear in my eye. i want to read the whole book now. tease.

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ZOID

Monday, June 7, 2004 9:11 PM

Astriana wrote:

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Perhaps you'd extend permission for one of the many talented fic writers here to flesh it out?

Permission!? We don't need no stinking permission! Seriously, though... It's not my story to begin with; it's Joss'. But I'd be honored if somebody wanted to 'fic it out. Let me know when y'all get it up and I'll read it (or if you'd like any further explication of my thought process on some of the developments). Like I said, I have no plans to write stories based on JW's or any other writer's original ideas. I guess I just don't think I'd do them justice. Big picture, sure; nuanced individual motivations, not so much...

For me, the biggest hint Joss gave about the show's unrevealed past and future was contained in the lyrics of "The Ballad of Serenity". Being a former pro singer, I'm very sensitive to lyric content, I guess. "Burn the land and boil the sea" spoke to me of a horrific destruction of a planetary troposphere. Imagine immediately transfoming Earth's gravitational gradient to that of the Moon (1/16th Earth normal). The atmospheric pressure would immediately 'outgas' or explode the entire atmosphere (and everything in it) into outer space. Exposed to a hard vacuum, any remaining surface water would 'boil' away, too. (NB: There's a SFX I'd like to see in the movie, if done properly!)

I think that's what the Alliance/BlueSun did to Mal's homeworld, Shadow. It -- like most of the Border worlds -- is a moon or large asteroidal body, given an Earth normal gravity and atmosphere. "We made 'em as close to Earth-That-Was as we could," said Zoe in 'Serenity'. If Alliance/BlueSun -- in a very secretive way, of course -- turned off the gravity generator that gave Shadow its artificial Earth-normal gravity and immediately returned it to its natural moon-normal gravity: Boom! Instantaneous reversion to rocky planetoid. The whole ecosystem and everything that depends on it snuffed out in the blink of an eye.

I think Mal lost his family and his girl (take my love), his family's ranch (take my land) and everything else he ever loved or called home, when they turned a blue and green world into a charred, airless and lifeless rock (take me where I cannot stand).

I chose to bury him there, forever beneath a glorious starscape of a hundred billion diamonds that can only be fully apprehended in an airless environment. "I don't care, I'm still free; you can't take the sky (full of stars) from me."

Respectfully,

zoid
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