SAND BOARDING People focus on Anti-America while The UAE's Princes most sickening, depraved torture goes unnoticed
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Torture is torture. It's all sick and disturbing. Some is more stomach churning to be sure, but just as bad as any other.
We need to cut our ties to UAE. The sooner we develop realistic non-oil energy solutions, the happier I'll be. Hell, I'd be happy to suffer a few years of bike riding and snuggling for heat. I don't care if my parents' jobs benefit from the energy market. I trust they can adapt. Their skills are not energy dependent.
Let's break off our relationship to UAE now. TODAY!
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Here's the video:
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Quote:Discussing what? We were discusing several things. AFA questions, I have several, actually.
I'm not falling for the clever attempt to be drawn into even discussing it.
The first one had to do with whether the Sheikh Issa's brutal behavior had to do with Islam. I gave examples of brutality in Xtianity's history, which you said was too far in the past to be anything except of historical interest. So, do you think Xtianity has fundamentally changed in the past 100 year or so? The point of the question is whether we can attirbute Sheikh Issa's horrific violence to his religion, to a tribal/ feudal culture, to an individual pathology, a combination or somehting else. And more importantly, whatever the causative factor(s) how can they be changed?
My second question was a direct response to your statment
Quote:It seems to me that the people doging question most often... at least here on the board... tend NOT to be "most of us". So I asked you very specifically to come up with examples of questions which YOU felt had been dodged.
This folks, is EXACTLY how I see most of you. Dodging questions asked, and instead, replying w/ a snide, pointless and baseless quip.
My third question was in response to your statement that Kwicko's analogy was a "false" analogy. I simply asked "how"? You made an assertion which I really don't agree with. I can't imagine HOW you consider his analogy to be False", in fact, it seems logically consistent all the way through. So I would like an explanation.
All pretty simple questions, I think.
AFA Clinton dodging the question: It apears that the Obama administration is unfortunately continuing the policy of the Bush II administration and (for all I know) the Clinton administration before that and the Bush I administration before that. OF COURSE she dodged the question: It's a horrific policy and she's a politician. In the previous admin the tape was never made public (altho Washington knew about it) so no questions had to be dodged.
So, there are the questions, with context and without any snide remarks (I hope).
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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.
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The knowledge of this, as well as the video, have been out for nearly a year, if not longer.
"Huge lawsuit features Sheikh's 'torture' films
5:00AM Wednesday Jun 18, 2008
As a trusted adviser to a member of the ruling family of the United Arab Emirates, Texas businessman Bassam Nabulsi says he safeguarded the Sheikh's most important documents: financial records, investment documents and videotapes showing the Sheikh torturing people with a cattle prod and a spiked plank.
When the business relationship began to deteriorate, Nabulsi says, he also was imprisoned for months and tortured by jailers trying to get the tapes back.
The tapes have not been made public but the AP viewed 11 still frames from one of the videos."
Why it hit the news cycle at this time rather than earlier, is beyond me.
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Updated: knowledge of this is 3 years old:
No plans to release tapes
After what Nabulsi described as prodding from the local U.S. Embassy, Nabulsi was released in July 2005 and taken directly to the airport. His family left the next day. They left a significant amount of possessions behind, he said.
Nabulsi filed the lawsuit in 2006 in hopes of getting some of the money he insists the partnership owes him. The suit languished because he could not get the sheikh or any of his representatives served. Finally that was accomplished on June 19 (2008).
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EH, rappy, are yu dodging my questions again? Cause that would be pretty ironic, given your latest snark about the left dodging questions- wouldn't you say?
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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.
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Kwickie has been asking me a lame ass question for a while now...
Yes, I see your point perfectly now, Rappy - that's not insulting or dismissive AT ALL!
Congrats - you've just engaged in the EXACT behavior that you're chastising "the left" for doing. And you do it every single day of your life.
Now, as for the question, I posed a scenario to you. It boils down to this: Do you accept Iran's "right" to torture or "harshly interrogate" American citizens? Why or why not? (Hint: "Because they're them and we're us" is not an answer!)
It's not an irrelevant question; it may be one that you don't WANT to answer, but it's not one that you shouldn't think about and address, because we are exceedingly likely to be facing this scenario, sooner rather than later.
I was hoping you'd have the courage to take a stand, but you never have, so I suppose you never will. Cowardice, thy name is Rappy!
Mike
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm not falling for the clever attempt to be drawn into even discussing it.
I'll ask you to restate the question, please.
Irony, much?
You've just been drawn into "even discussing it". And then you ask to have the question repeated, so you can discuss it further!
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Originally posted by SignyM:
EH, rappy, are yu dodging my questions again? Cause that would be pretty ironic, given your latest snark about the left dodging questions- wouldn't you say?
Hell, Signy, he's been dodging me for damn near a week now!
And he doesn't even see the hypocrisy inherent in his positions.
Mike
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Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Nah, he had the question repeated just so he could make the HUGELY ironic point of evading it! (I think)
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They pit us like dogs against each other and rake it in. And I'll bet they laugh when they hear dupes like you defend the system that fucks you over and rewards them so nicely! But the one thing they'll stamp out in horror as if it were the spark of conflagration is any whiff of socialism. That should tell you something.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Do you accept Iran's "right" to torture or "harshly interrogate" American citizens? Why or why not? (Hint: "Because they're them and we're us" is not an answer!)
It's not an irrelevant question; it may be one that you don't WANT to answer, but it's not one that you shouldn't think about and address, because we are exceedingly likely to be facing this scenario, sooner rather than later.
Why would Iran "harshly interrogate" your American citizen in question? I believe you are using the female reporter as your real world example. Would they do it for military reasons? Would they do it for spite? Did America do it for spite?
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