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06K64

Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:53 PM

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Originally posted by singate:

You are correct about T2 but in the first movie Arnold killed the gun store owner after acquiring a cache of weapons. He also killed 17(?) police officers when he stormed the precinct where Sarah was in protective custody.

Oh, no- absolutely. The first film was a festival of terminal violence. And all the more gripping for it.

Thinking about it, it's not like Cameron had a problem killing people, so it's a bit odd that she was so restrained in the jail, but I suppose there's a limit to how many people can be killed in an 8pm time slot?

(Sidebar: Personally, I would have reversed the timeslots between Dollhouse and TSCC. Would have given TSCC a little more range. Seems like an interesting reflection of how the US seems to have less of a problem with violence, and is more cautious with depictions of sexuality, where in the UK, for example, it seems to be the opposite: the depiction of violence is more carefully controlled, whereas the approach to sexuality is more straightforward. But, anyway...)

Would love to see a third series that runs with a bit of what we're going to get from Salvation.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:58 AM

I just have to say I got my sound back and watched the last two episodes. Awesome. Going out with style. I hope this ties in to the movie.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:26 AM

In Terminator, Arnold walks into the Alamo Gun Shop where sci-fi legend Dick Miller shows him the 45 cal. longslide with laser sighting, and the Uzi 9 mm. Then Arnold blows him away.

I liked the season finale on Friday, but I really do not understand exactly what they did.

Where is Mrs. Weaver and John Henry? Is she, liquid metal, really trying to help the humans?

Who was trying to kill them all with that flying thing? What was that thing anyhow?

John Connor sees his dad, uncle, and Allsion from Palmdale when he is sent to the future. Now at least we know that Derek knew Allsion before the machines captured her, and maybe that explains why he always detested Cameron. I thought that was interesting, but what does it all mean?

Can someone smart 'splain all this to me and others who don't know what we saw Friday night. Thank you.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:05 PM

um, I rethought it, and realized it's very flawed. It's illogical for Cameron to allow herself to be shot and not kill humans, it jeopardizes the mission. If by evolving, she just becomes human, then she's another tinwoodman and yawn. There are lots of ways to evolve, even in the limited mamalian world. Dogs make a lot of choices we wouldn't make, to say nothing of jellyfish. Being alive and thinking just like a moral upstanding member of human society are not the same thing.

For that matter, John could have programmed her to be that way in the first place before sending her back if that was what the mission called for, and he didn't, so this is a dumb development. Characters should be themselves, no one should ever flip over a talisman card that says "you are now good" or "you are now evil."

Skynet was shooting at them, but the problem is problematic, with time travel, the entire story becomes a constant conflict across the entire timespan. It needs a reason not to just go endlessly back in time. It becomes easier and easier for machines to defeat humans, as long as they don't delete their own existance, but long before present day, they could do that and no humans would be able to stop them.

If you're going to feed the development of machines into the passed, there's not a lot of reason not to do it in 17th century france instead. Still gnawing...

STORYMARK

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:42 PM

People still think this show will tie to Salvation? Guys, Salvation follows T3 - Kate Brewster is stall a character, and the machines are still useing the T-1's from that movie - a movie which doesn't exist in the TSCC timeline.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

06K64

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:46 PM

Dreamtrove- welcome back! I’m glad you finally got to see the last two eps. In a word, as you say, awesome. (With deference to your rethink...)

As for what it all means, Jongsstraw... Ha- that’s half the fun!

I think what you’re asking about Weaver and the flying thing underscores one of the themes that developed through the series: That there are two opposing factions on the metal side. To make it clear to us, Weaver stated to Sarah exactly what she was up to, which was to build something (with John Henry as its genesis?) to stop Skynet. So not only are we seeing that there are two metal factions, and that one (Weaver’s) that wants to ally itself with the humans, but also that a lot of the mysterious conflicts we witnessed are part of this chess game the metal factions are playing against each other in the “present.”

What I really liked was the “Will you join us?” revisit. Where future John Connor had offered to ally with the “good” metal faction in the future, and was turned down on the Jimmy Carter, it seems like Weaver’s faction may have reconsidered and wants to join forces. But that opens a whole timeline, what’s-happening-when thing that I can barely get my head around...

The flying thing was a weapon (proto?)Skynet was using. We’d seen it a couple of times. (Interestingly, though- and I forget where I saw someone mention this, it doesn’t seem like SKynet understood that Weaver was liquid metal, ‘cause they might have taken a slightly different approach than just flying into the building if they knew?)

As for Cameron/Allison and Derek, I’m going to wade into that discussion above from a little while ago with regard to Summer’s performance, ‘cause I didn’t get to at the time, and I think it sheds some light on what you’re asking.

I have to agree with the camp that was impressed with Summer’s portrayal of Cameron. Was she playing a robot? Yes. Are robots, in our exposure to popular sci-fi, generally monotonous? Yes. But the difference here is where the storyline takes us, and what it demands of Summer Glau. I think there is range and depth to what she was given to do.

Where as Data on NextGen was engaged in an intentional search for consciousness or his “humanity,” and where, in T2, young John Connor tried to teach a Terminator to behave with humanity, in TSCC I think we were witnessing an internal conflict between Cameron the Cyborg and Allison from Palmdale. In the final ep, we were introduced to the effect a minor wiring change had on John Henry- he “glitched.” We don’t really know how Cameron was made, but we’re led to believe she was special. I think there was some kind of overlay (Cameron on Allison or Allison on Cameron,) and what we saw in Cameron’s behavior was a product of the resulting glitches in this overlay. Throughout the series we saw examples where some residual of Allison intruded on Cameron’s function.

This is all to say that I saw in Summer’s performance a reflection of this story element. She wasn’t always robotic or monotonous- you saw flashes of Allison’s humanity in a pause or a reaction on Cameron’s part, and Summer did that very well.

You’re right, though. Who knows what Derek’s relationship to Allison was? It may have colored his perception of Cameron, or it may be that he’s concerned that Cameron (as she herself admitted,) might eventually harm John Connor, or maybe he just didn’t like metal... Bring on a third series!

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:41 PM

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Originally posted by 06K64:
This is all to say that I saw in Summer’s performance a reflection of this story element. She wasn’t always robotic or monotonous- you saw flashes of Allison’s humanity in a pause or a reaction on Cameron’s part, and Summer did that very well.

Summer's never been a boring machine. She's had great lines and memorable scenes. She seemed to have grown emotionally over the last few episodes, and in some ways was the most human of all of them. Last week when she un-buttoned her shirt, stood there in her bra, and laid back on the bed asking John to get on top of her, I nearly spit up my Drake's Coffee Cake. I thought the I Know My Bible speech was comin' next. Very hot!

The extended preview for Terminator Salvation was awesome. It looked much better than anything I have seen previously. I think the movie is going to be a big winner, and if it isn't, that's ok too.

I want Sarah Connor Chronicles to be renewed and come back in the Fall. Shirley Manson's character is terrific. Whether it's her accent, or her clothes and hair, she really is something unique. They killed off just about all those I didn't like, so next season has tremendous possibilities .

LWAVES

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by 06K64:
Dreamtrove- welcome back! I’m glad you finally got to see the last two eps. In a word, as you say, awesome. (With deference to your rethink...)

As for what it all means, Jongsstraw... Ha- that’s half the fun!

I think what you’re asking about Weaver and the flying thing underscores one of the themes that developed through the series: That there are two opposing factions on the metal side. To make it clear to us, Weaver stated to Sarah exactly what she was up to, which was to build something (with John Henry as its genesis?) to stop Skynet. So not only are we seeing that there are two metal factions, and that one (Weaver’s) that wants to ally itself with the humans, but also that a lot of the mysterious conflicts we witnessed are part of this chess game the metal factions are playing against each other in the “present.”

What I really liked was the “Will you join us?” revisit. Where future John Connor had offered to ally with the “good” metal faction in the future, and was turned down on the Jimmy Carter, it seems like Weaver’s faction may have reconsidered and wants to join forces. But that opens a whole timeline, what’s-happening-when thing that I can barely get my head around...

The flying thing was a weapon (proto?)Skynet was using. We’d seen it a couple of times. (Interestingly, though- and I forget where I saw someone mention this, it doesn’t seem like SKynet understood that Weaver was liquid metal, ‘cause they might have taken a slightly different approach than just flying into the building if they knew?)

As for Cameron/Allison and Derek, I’m going to wade into that discussion above from a little while ago with regard to Summer’s performance, ‘cause I didn’t get to at the time, and I think it sheds some light on what you’re asking.

I have to agree with the camp that was impressed with Summer’s portrayal of Cameron. Was she playing a robot? Yes. Are robots, in our exposure to popular sci-fi, generally monotonous? Yes. But the difference here is where the storyline takes us, and what it demands of Summer Glau. I think there is range and depth to what she was given to do.

Where as Data on NextGen was engaged in an intentional search for consciousness or his “humanity,” and where, in T2, young John Connor tried to teach a Terminator to behave with humanity, in TSCC I think we were witnessing an internal conflict between Cameron the Cyborg and Allison from Palmdale. In the final ep, we were introduced to the effect a minor wiring change had on John Henry- he “glitched.” We don’t really know how Cameron was made, but we’re led to believe she was special. I think there was some kind of overlay (Cameron on Allison or Allison on Cameron,) and what we saw in Cameron’s behavior was a product of the resulting glitches in this overlay. Throughout the series we saw examples where some residual of Allison intruded on Cameron’s function.

This is all to say that I saw in Summer’s performance a reflection of this story element. She wasn’t always robotic or monotonous- you saw flashes of Allison’s humanity in a pause or a reaction on Cameron’s part, and Summer did that very well.

You’re right, though. Who knows what Derek’s relationship to Allison was? It may have colored his perception of Cameron, or it may be that he’s concerned that Cameron (as she herself admitted,) might eventually harm John Connor, or maybe he just didn’t like metal... Bring on a third series!

Well you are not alone.
I think I agree with every signal part of your post. Especially those about Summer's acting. I thought it was the little details that made it. Most actors could play a standard straightforward robot/cyborg but it was the little bits that mattered that could almost go unnoticed.
I am reminded of something I think Joss or Nick Brendon said about Alyson Hannigan in Buffy. She was always doing something even if she wasn't the focus of the scene. Her eyes or expression would tell you more than words ever could. Little nuances that hinted at what the character w

06K64

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:48 PM

Thanks.
Funny- in all my musings, it didn't even occur to me that it could be Weaver's faction that would help re-program the cyborgs. Good call.
And, yeah- seeing Summer Glau get to give us Allison for a season would be great.(For her, too, I imagine..!)

ZEEK

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:16 PM

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/04/scoop-fox-set-t.html

I've never been a fan of the show since the start. I like the idea of Summer moving on. Hopefully to bigger and better things. Sorry to those of you who liked it.

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