Meet the new boss ...
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http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/06/obama/index.html
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posted at Salon:Glenn Greenwald
MONDAY APRIL 6, 2009 14:33 EDT
New and worse secrecy and immunity claims from the Obama DOJ
When Congress immunized telecoms last August for their illegal participation in Bush's warrantless eavesdropping program, Senate Democratic apologists for telecom immunity repeatedly justified that action by pointing out that Bush officials who broke the law were not immunized -- only the telecoms. Here, for instance, is how Sen. Jay Rockefeller justified telecom immunity in a Washington Post Op-Ed:
Second, lawsuits against the government can go forward. There is little doubt that the government was operating in, at best, a legal gray area. If administration officials abused their power or improperly violated the privacy of innocent people, they must be held accountable. That is exactly why we rejected the White House's year-long push for blanket immunity covering government officials.
Taking them at their word, EFF -- which was the lead counsel in the lawsuits against the telecoms -- thereafter filed suit, in October, 2008, against the Bush administration and various Bush officials for illegally spying on the communications of Americans. They were seeking to make good on the promise made by Congressional Democrats: namely, that even though lawsuits against telecoms for illegal spying will not be allowed any longer, government officials who broke the law can still be held accountable.
But late Friday afternoon, the Obama DOJ filed the government's first response to EFF's lawsuit (.pdf), the first of its kind to seek damages against government officials under FISA, the Wiretap Act and other statutes, arising out of Bush's NSA program. But the Obama DOJ demanded dismissal of the entire lawsuit based on (1) its Bush-mimicking claim that the "state secrets" privilege bars any lawsuits against the Bush administration for illegal spying, and (2) a brand new "sovereign immunity" claim of breathtaking scope -- never before advanced even by the Bush administration -- that the Patriot Act bars any lawsuits of any kind for illegal government surveillance unless there is "willful disclosure" of the illegally intercepted communications.
In other words, beyond even the outrageously broad "state secrets" privilege invented by the Bush administration and now embraced fully by the Obama administration, the Obama DOJ has now invented a brand new claim of government immunity, one which literally asserts that the U.S. Government is free to intercept all of your communications (calls, emails and the like) and -- even if what they're doing is blatantly illegal and they know it's illegal -- you are barred from suing them unless they "willfully disclose" to the public what they have learned.
There are several notable aspects to what happened here with this new court filing from Obama:
(1) Unlike in the prior cases where the Obama DOJ embraced the Bush theory of state secrets -- in which the Obama DOJ was simply maintaining already-asserted arguments in those lawsuits by the Bush DOJ -- the motion filed on Friday was the first response of any kind to this lawsuit by the Government. Indeed, EFF filed the lawsuit in October but purposely agreed with Bush lawyers to an extension of the time to respond until April, in the hope that by making this Obama's case, and giving his DOJ officials months to consider what to do when first responding, they would receive a different response than the one they would have gotten from the Bush DOJ.
That didn't happen. This brief and this case are exclusively the Obama DOJ's, and the ample time that elapsed -- almost three full months -- makes clear that it was fully considered by Obama officials. Yet they responded exactly as the Bush DOJ would have. This demonstrates that the Obama DOJ plans to invoke the exact radical doctrines of executive secrecy which Bush used -- not only when the Obama DOJ is taking over a case from the Bush DOJ, but even when they are deciding what response should beNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Sucks big-time. But, you'll notice its liberals- supposedly Obama's most ardent supporters- who're reporting this.
Time to get out the pitchforks and staves!!!
Time to start gearing up for better Democratic and third-party candidates!
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
But, you'll notice its liberals- supposedly Obama's most ardent supporters- who're reporting this.
I'm counting on it. That's why I wanted Obama to win, even though I expected the kinds of policies decried in this article.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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To quote a show that promised much but ended crappy,
All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.
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Damn right, put him on the ropes and keep him there.
And if need be, on the mat.
-F
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Hmmmm... Now maybe a few of you will understand WHY we didn't want ANY President to be handed that kind of unchecked power - not just for what HE might do with it, but for what THE NEXT GUY OR GAL might do with it!
Mike
Just lying smiling in the dark,
Shooting stars around your heart,
Dreams come bouncing in your head
pure and simple every time.
Now you're crying in your sleep;
I wish you'd never learnt to weep.
Don't sell the dreams you should be keeping
pure and simple every time.
"Pure", by Lightning Seeds
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"Time to start gearing up for better Democratic and third-party candidates!"
Why not just 3rd party candidates?
Said it before, say it again...
Ron Paul.
Libertarians ROCK!
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Libertarians may rock, but Democrats RULE!
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Apparently, from what I understand, court litigation here is on going, so lets hope someone in the justice system sees the wiretapping as wasteful and pointless as it is.
Maybe we've thrown some people into Git-Mo on the basis of evidence they gathered off this program, but I wonder how many of those people are REALLY dangerous, compared to the people they've thrown in Git-Mo who they brought over from Iraq/Afghanistan.
Also, personal note: My brother competed in a moot court in Washington DC a couple weeks ago, and this was the topic of the case. I have no idea what that MEANS, but hey.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Libertarians may rock, but Democrats RULE!
That's the problem alright.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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