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ASARIAN

Monday, April 6, 2009 8:01 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
As for the rest of it, whatever. Here's Cameron as her flat self in what I thought was one of the better scenes. I reiterate we have seen a very large number of people play psychotic robots in our sci-fi viewing history, probably too many to count. Summer is the most convincing one I've ever seen. That's worthy of note.

You'll never hear anything other from me than Summer being a star actress. :) But even a star can't play ex nihilo. She needs to be given good scripts. And that's not always been the case.

And sadly, yes, Cameron is monotonous. And Summer does it well, and second to none. But, to me, Summer as "Allison from Palmdale" was riveting: it had depth, and an absolute realness to it. Ain't about psychotic robots per se, but about being able to run the full gamut of emotion. I mean, there's a reason people say things like: "You have the personality of a dial-tone." A 'flat' persona just isn't very interesting. However brilliantly acted, you can only say: "No, I didn't," in a monotonously fashion, so many times, before it becomes boring.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

ASARIAN

Monday, April 6, 2009 8:24 PM

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Originally posted by farfly:
Here are some of the Cameron highlights.

http://tinyurl.com/d6nmb6

Yep, those were fun. :) Man, you gotta love Summer!

Mind you, though, most of the good Cameron stuff was from the earlier episodes. You think that's a commentary on the quality of the show?

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"It's still my shot, right Bob?" -- Cameron

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 3:05 AM

Asarian

I don't think this is really fair. I mean, sure, some of the eps. are not well written, but this isn't different from 12,000 eps of star trek or anything else. I mean, there are cringeworthy moments of every character in every show, and there's no shortage of them in firefly, or even in farscape, or BSG.

Some writers don't get Cameron. If this is the case, it's hopeless. If she has nothing to say and stands in the background, sure. But that's just not a fair attack. I could say the same about Buffy. Sarah is pretty talented. There are some very very boring scenes involving Buffy and Riley, Buffy and Angel, and even Buffy and her own internal struggle. Anyone, given nothing, can't do much with it, and 1/2 the time, the writers gave her nothing. That's their problem, not Summer's, and not Josh's.

I need to nitpick the show's direction though, so abandoning point for the moment....

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 3:17 AM

Dewrastler, excellent points.

1. The focus on Sarah thing was pointless and dumb. Josh already knew that the audience wanted more Cameron, he said so, and he said he intentionally decided to ignore that. That's just suicide. Sarah is an interesting character, but she is only half the title of the show. The other half is Terminator, and that would be Cameron, except when it is Weaver.

2. Jesse thread took too long because they wanted it to go somewhere else, more major, and it took that long to find out that the audience just didn't care.

3.

a) John doesn't work for me. He's too flat, and I'm not sure he can act. He lacks that rebel element he had when he was younger. Or, if it's there, it's subdued. I still don't see this guy as a messiah. I don't want to either. I want him to be some really radical outside the box thinker who would be essential to humanity. I want him to be Gary Kasperov. Instead, he's Leo DiCaprio, no offense to Leo for whom I have great respect for (because of his environmental work.)

b) The three dots thing was so area 51 I wanted to scream.

c) Can I shoot Ellison now? I really enjoyed this character, but he's been such a fifth wheel lately that his randomly dying would be the only interesting development.

d) Weaver is a good emotionless robot, Cameron is an excellent one. Both of them put Mr. Data to shame, and Mr. Data was a really good robot. So was Bishop. Now for all the doubters, think about all the really bad robots there have been.

e) back to john, part of the story has to be about john becoming something, and part of it has to be about sarah and cameron as competing influences who both help him get to that point. It cannot be that he becomes the ultimate fighter, that's not enough, the human race has plenty of those. He has to be the guy who can beat a computer at chess, a truly alien unpredictable mind. That's the only thing that would work for me, otherwise it's just another messianic sci-fi with religious overtones.

f) I haven't seen the recent eps. Anyone who can tell me how to get sound back on flash player in linux gets a shiny cookie ;)

LEEDAVIDT

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 5:14 PM

Im A Huge Summer Glau Fan ! So, i watch
tscc weekly. I def. think season two is getting better.Too bad the finale is this friday.I missed last friday's episode but will catch it on F*X.com

I would really like to see cameron acting more human occasionally like she did in some of the past episodes.As far as john is concerned, i'm glad he's finally becoming the leader he should have been a long time ago.
I think they should also have called it the John Connor Chronicles...just my opinion :)

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LWAVES

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by leedavidt:
I think they should also have called it the John Connor Chronicles...just my opinion :)

Completely agree with this opinion, although I do really like the show as it is, even with it's problems (and not just for Summer, although she is a major plus point).
I mean, he is the main character, he is the one you know can't die. By having Sarah's name in the title you also know that she can't die (at least until the end of the series) coz then it wouldn't work to call it The Sarah Connor Chronicles if there wasn't a character with that name in it.

But I guess I probably won't matter now, although I hope that the signs are wrong.

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, April 8, 2009 2:16 AM

John Connor has always been the McGuffin, the story has always been about Sarah, from movies forward. The show doesn't know how to handle that. But it's only half about her... I still haven't seen the last couple eps

SINGATE

Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:22 PM

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
...even if we end on a huge cliffhanger.

You will be a prophet if the series is not renewed. It would be terrible if it ends like this. There are too many things left unanswered...

Why does Cameron give John Henry her chip?
Why does he go to the future?
How are the Reese brothers already organized if John Connor supposedly "showed us how to fight back"?
Was that Allison with Kyle in the future?
What will Ellison do without Weaver around?

I really did enjoy the episode. Between the escape and the meeting with Weaver everyone had a significant part to play.

The T-800 at the gun store and Cameron's assault on the Sheriff's department had me waxing nostalgic over the original film. The differences being the shop owner isn't killed, he even gets paid, and Cameron wasn't offing cops left and right. Those officers were incredibly well armed.

With the ads I've seen for the movie and the Weaver opposed to Skynet storyline it looks as though the series(providing it returns) is headed down the same path as BSG; machines rebelling against other machines. Not just those reprogrammed by humans. There's no way they could have reprogrammed a T-1000. The one that appeared in Jesse's flashback had the ability to makes it's own decisions. Having one AI evolve to destroy and another to oppose it is an interesting idea. I do like the Cain and Abel analogy. It will be a shame if this doesn't come back.

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06K64

Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:03 AM

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Originally posted by singate:
Was that Allison with Kyle in the future?

My guess is the reason she was next to a dog was to let us know she wasn't metal, so I'm thinking it was Allison.

The gun store scene was great. I'm trying to remember, though- Did Arnold's Terminator actually kill anyone in T2? I remember alot of kneecaps...

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It will be a shame if this doesn't come back.

Truth.

SINGATE

Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:01 AM

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Originally posted by 06K64:
The gun store scene was great. I'm trying to remember, though- Did Arnold's Terminator actually kill anyone in T2? I remember alot of kneecaps...

You are correct about T2 but in the first movie Arnold killed the gun store owner after acquiring a cache of weapons. He also killed 17(?) police officers when he stormed the precinct where Sarah was in protective custody.

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