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POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Monday, April 13, 2009 09:24
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When I Google firefly it comes up 5th and has since you first posted. Is it possible that it shows up different for everyone?
Kinda weird huh?
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That's page one and 5th down.
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It was briefly in a state of rapid degeneration as a search for "firefly." I think that JTF and Haken both have points. I've been using JTF's method. This enters into the "pigeon rank" whereas Haken's method enters into the "page rank" system. Both are used by google to determine search results order.
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Without google search traffic, the chance of new firefly fans coming here drops off to zero.
I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with fff.net, or the way Haken handles it. It's the 'Verse itself that's dying -- something a good deal more dangerous. :(
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somebody is doing something right, because it's back up to 5th place.
We're at number one now for 'Firefly.' Interesting.
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it's 2nd on my most visited sites.
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I just got it as fourth. I think this is interesting. I first have to disagree with Asarian. I watch the trending topics and Firefly fandom is on the rise. There was a tremendous spark for libertarianism, and Firefly was widely circulated, also it's been circulated by sci-fi communities online, and additionally, Dollhouse fans have been watching it. It's definitely bigger now than it was two years ago. The same thing happened to Buffy. Buffy last year hit its height at about twice the weekly viewership it ever had when it was on the air. Now it's faded somewhat, but firefly is still going strong. Not as strong as the Colbert Nation, but stronger than Scientology. It's damn good for a show off the air for 6 years that ran half a season. Remember, it's just this sort of thing that kept star trek alive.
Star Trek was off the air for 5 years and still had an avid fan base when it spawned the animated series. After the animated series, Ballantine released the, CMIIW, first line of *new* star trek stories as a series of novels. This carried fandom through another 5 years until there was a movie, brought on by the success of Star Wars. A series of successful movies prompted Star Trek, the Next Generation.
The important parts here are obvious: For five years, Trekkies wandered through the desert. They had novelizations of episodes, etc. but no real new material, but the persistent fanbase demonstrated the market, and while some ideas failed, eventually it became a franchise.
I was able to sus out that in a given week, as many people have watched firefly as have watched any top rated sci-fi show that is currently on, below BSG, but at least as many as watch fringe, etc. That's fairly impressive since it's not only cancelled, but there are a limited number of episodes. So, no, I'd say Firefly is still climbing in popularity.
Of course, this discussion has little to do with the popularity of firefly as a show, since FFF is competing largely with other firefly sites, not with pages devoted to the insect. I'm quite fond of the little buggers, we have them all over the place here. In a couple weeks they'll crawl out as little black and orange triangles on six little legs. It took me years to figure out that they were the same insect, but they are. Distant relative of ladybugs. Anyway. (FF still carries a 9.5 on imdb)
The issue of FFF falling relative to "firefly" search" is an interesting one. It plummeted at some point recently, and continued to do so. I thought maybe Haken wasn't doing something he had been doing. When I came here, it was the number one result for the search, and I migrated from the IMDb board, as I was sick of dealing with all of the anti-'s who just didn't like it because it was derivative of outlaw star et al. For the past year or so, I think it's been pretty much in second place, and most of this year it's been third or fourth.
The idea that our activity kicked it temporarily up to first, and now is seeping back down is very revealing. It's like watching amazon sales rank. (Cheeziest way to get your amazon sales rank to spike: list all your copies for distribution at a penny and make your friends and family buy them, on the same day.) That trick doesn't get you high enough to be worth it thought, it'll only spike you to around 30,000. Maybe 10,000 if you do it right, you need to spike higher than that to get noticed.
I confess I come here less often due to new years resolutions which I have forced myself back to:
1. No politics. It's a waste of time. Sure, everyone has interesting ideas, but none of us has the ability to affect change, and so it's all moot. I'm working for time efficiency.
2. I allow myself one show a day, but with my sound not working, I'm not watching anything. Mostly there's a lot of talk about DH, which I have no interest in. I would watch TSCC, Chuck, Heroes, Kings, if I could, but I can't, and so there's not much to talk about. (I was a little disappointed in the last Kings, a little more soap and a little less alt. hist.) Not to threadjack my own thread.
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I just got it as fourth. I think this is interesting.
Okay, this is really interesting. Google actually returns different result ranking depending on IP, network, etc., when I search for 'Firefly.'
My home computer, which is through our local cable provider, returns FFF.NET at 5th place.
My work computer, which is on the Time Warner network, returns FFF.NET at 1st place.
I'm not exactly sure what this means, but I'm sure it's unfair to someone for sure.
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I first have to disagree with Asarian. I watch the trending topics and Firefly fandom is on the rise.
You're mistaking minor perturbations with the overall trend. Overall, Asarian is right. The trend is that this fandom is dying. There is a difference between someone watching a liking something verses someone watching something and becoming a fan adding to the fandoms numbers. The latter is what matters. And it's the latter where the numbers have drastically fallen over just the past couple years.
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Re: fandom, anecdotal stuff: more people I knew/met had become firefly fans without my introduction in the last year than previous.
Statistical stuff, twittering firefly is on the rise vs. other shows. This is not surprising. The whole ron paul crowd and anti-fed movement has been passing around firefly.
This sort of thing isn't news either. Look at when fandom for dragonriders took off, or lord of the rings. It's about when it speaks to people, and it speaks to people more now than when it was new.
I've satisfied for myself that firefly is trending up as a subject of interest. I'll admit that dollhouse is trending up, regardless of me not liking it. But for something to increase popularity after its death, like catch 22, is a sleeper, it's not that rare. Buffy, for example.
Most classic example in sci-fi is probably Phillip K. Dick. He had many more fans dead than he ever had alive. The man never really made a dime. Now he's heralded in writer's circles as a luminary.
Van Gogh is okay. I was really fond of his as a child. Some of the paintings both me.
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