Critical Info Or Red Herring?

POSTED BY: zoid
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 8, 2004 21:31
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ZOID

Thursday, June 3, 2004 9:30 PM

Channain wrote:

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One more word: Exposition. For Firefly, less is definitely more.

Ummm, yeah; but I have to ask the question again, why put it back into the last version JW could be certain we'd ever see? Why complete the name in the final version?

To repeat myself -- an annoying habit, I know -- I think Joss dropped the scene originally because he didn't want to give away somebody's secret identity prematurely, figuring he'd have several seasons to reveal it more slowly. When it turned out that F*x was not only killing the show but blocking anybody else from picking it up, JW put it back in (in a more complete form than in any of the previous incarnations) through the DVD set 'back door', to let conspiracy theorists (zoid adjusts tinfoil hat) figure out the mystery.

Either that, or just to drive us (me personally?) stark ravers.

Convolutedly,

zoid
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TIGERLILY

Thursday, June 3, 2004 9:48 PM

do you think joss would introduce a link to the buffyverse in the actual environment of the show? if the name is a shout out to his fans, it's one thing. but to suggest or later establish that someone is actually related to the sunnydale wilkins, this is another matter.

this would change the entire universe of firefly to one that includes demons and magic.

i don't see joss doing that, personally.

no aliens, no magic, that's what i says.

DELIA

Thursday, June 3, 2004 9:53 PM

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Delia, Mistress of Tomes and Advanced Mathematical Concepts (like counting):

First it's advanced maths, now proper editorial techniques and comedic art? Please remember I'm only a pitiful ape with opposable thumbs. As Ted Arroway would say, "Small moves, (D)Ellie(a), small moves"...

Delia-eriously,

zoid

My title is getting longer! Exciting. (Although the comment about the editing was a joke.) And with all the clever puns on Delia, I'm starting to wish it really were my name!

I was going to ask what the reference was to, but that's very un-librarian-like.

So I Google'd it! (Which is more librarian-like than we're really supposed to admit.)

Delia

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FORRESTWOLF

Thursday, June 3, 2004 10:10 PM

I agree. The Richard Wilkins of Firefly is NOT the Mayor of Sunnydale. Just an inside joke/reference for Joss fans, I guess. I wish he hadn't used it, personally...confuses the issue to no end.

Zoid: I do think Book's likely to be Wilkins (not certain, just likely). I'm actually just wondering what the connection IS with Niska, not whether it's realistic - I'm sure Wilkins COULD know Niska by reputation. Perhaps Niska did some shady deals with the Alliance (maybe Bin Laden's not such a bad example, though we'll save politicking for the nifty new forum :) during the war - torture by Alliance troops is something that's been discussed elsewhere here.

FFYING2

Tuesday, June 8, 2004 6:25 AM

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If Book isn't Wilkins, then Joss is a very wicked man indeed. Although I've also been toying with the idea that Jayne's been playing possum ("Pretentious?")...

Well if you want some (but not all) spoilers about Book's past, almost straight from Adam Baldwin (from his meeting with, now deceased, fan Lux Lucre), click below.

Nothing we haven't already suspected, and nothing too specific, but...

*HERE BE SPOILERS*
http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/messages?msg=8299.53

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ZOID

Tuesday, June 8, 2004 9:47 AM

ffying2 wrote:

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Well if you want some (but not all) spoilers about Book's past, almost straight from Adam Baldwin (from his meeting with, now deceased, fan Lux Lucre), click below.

Nothing we haven't already suspected, and nothing too specific, but...

Yeah, I had read that. However, it is very rare that an actor knows the full storyline of his own character before the fact of having a script in hand, let alone knowing the intimate details of another character in advance. Good directors (including, methinks, Joss Whedon) like to keep their actors 'in the dark' about plot mysteries, in order to get true performances along the way. Some actors (including the talented Mr. Baldwin) can still pull off 'puzzlement' even when they know the full backstory of a mysterious character they are interacting with; but usually the director/exec producer/creator just keeps the mysteries under his hat(s). The only people who know the full story are those with "need to know", as they say in classification-speak.

At this point, I'd be willing to bet that number includes only JW, Tim Minear, possibly Chris Buchanan and one or two other people, none of which are actors. The good news is that JW has indicated that he will illuminate Book's and Inara's backstory in the first movie. Soon, all will be revealed...

Respectfully,

zoid
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DRAKON

Tuesday, June 8, 2004 10:55 AM

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Try as I might, I've never been able to latch on to Buffy or Angel intellectually. Therefore, I'd never heard of Sunnyvale, let alone knew that it has an immortal(?) mayor serially named Richard Wilkins. Might Joss have created a character in Firefly with the same name? Might he have used the name as an in-joke?

I have to point out that Buffy's home town is SunnyDale, not Sunnyvale. I have to point this out because there really is a Sunnyvale California. I live there and we ain't got no vampires or slayers. Dammit.

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GUNHAND

Tuesday, June 8, 2004 11:33 AM

Yeah all the vampires are really in Santa Clara. Oops, I said too much.

I'm still going with what I said on here, ummm somewhere up there.

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BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, June 8, 2004 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by zoid:
Try as I might, I've never been able to latch on to Buffy or Angel intellectually. Therefore, I'd never heard of Sunnyvale, let alone knew that it has an immortal(?) mayor serially named Richard Wilkins. Might Joss have created a character in Firefly with the same name? Might he have used the name as an in-joke?
I have to point out that Buffy's home town is SunnyDale, not Sunnyvale. I have to point this out because there really is a Sunnyvale California. I live there and we ain't got no vampires or slayers. Dammit.

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

And Drakon should know as he has been sitting in cemeteries w/ a stake and a flashlight every night for the past three years.

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HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, June 8, 2004 3:07 PM

Just a thought:

The general populous may not know what this or that general looks like, but wouldn't Malcolm Reynolds know the face of the guy that perpetrated the Serenity Valley Massacre?

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