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DREAMTROVE

Monday, March 30, 2009 1:51 PM

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Jesse, ... led us away from ... just a Human v. Metal story- just two teams, black and white. There are different factions within the human side, and it seems there are different factions within the metal side.

Agreed. It makes things more interesting. Also, there are limitless motivations for Cameron, who does lie pretty consistantly, and may in fact not have been sent back by John. We never see it happen. For all we know she's an infiltrator into the resistance. The idea I find most interesting is if Cameron is an infiltrator but not a simple plant for the metal side, but with an agenda of her own, like avoiding the war, peaceful coexistence, even if only motivated by self preservation, having done projections of future engagements and come to the conclusion that on its current path, humans will defeat machines.

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And we’re seeing the line blur, too. To me, I guess, Jesse represented a shade of grey, a different perspective on how we’re supposed to perceive the John Connor of the future.(Do you remember in which ep Jesse said Cameron was sent back to change John? I missed that, and it's an interesting angle. I want to check it out.)

Oh, I binge watched them after I came in somewhere in the 2nd season. She mentions the idea fairly consistently to Derek, but I can't remember where she first suggests the idea. I believe she actually puts forward the idea that the only word we have saying that John sent Cameron is Cameron's. Later she asks why would John send her back if she was his best protection. It would seem that he was protecting his former self, but he'd need the information that he was in danger. She might again be alluding to the idea that Cameron sent herself, thought it comes across as Jesse saying John sent her back to get rid of her, but that argument doesn't hold water. He wouldn't sent her back to kill himself.

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The production schedule question is interesting. I'm always curious as to how much influence feedback has. Maybe they’ve filmed alternate storylines. A bit like those old choose-your-own-adventure books...

I remember those. I doubt they've filmed alternate versions, but they may have written them. It's still too expensive to film scenes you're not going to use.

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And I do wonder if Jesse and Cameron had only met once. That’s a lot of animosity for Jesse to harbor for just one meeting.

Bothers me too. Jesse fills the same role as Felix in the end of BSG, and I felt there wasn't enough build up there. I thought the storyline was well written, but the initiation and conclusion left me cold. BSG has some story arc issues: the writers never question certain things like why anyone follows our beloved leaders.

But back to Jesse, it seems more of a personal thing than simple technophobia.

I can't remember when Jesse initially suggest Cameron as there to change who John is but she does harp on the idea, and I suspect she's not wrong. She may have an ulterior motive that's not at all machine based, she may have observed John of the future and perceived weaknesses, etc.

06K64

Monday, March 30, 2009 2:40 PM

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Oh, I binge watched them after I came in somewhere in the 2nd season. She mentions the idea fairly consistently to Derek, but I can't remember where she first suggests the idea. I believe she actually puts forward the idea that the only word we have saying that John sent Cameron is Cameron's. Later she asks why would John send her back if she was his best protection. It would seem that he was protecting his former self, but he'd need the information that he was in danger. She might again be alluding to the idea that Cameron sent herself, thought it comes across as Jesse saying John sent her back to get rid of her, but that argument doesn't hold water. He wouldn't sent her back to kill himself.

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She may have an ulterior motive that's not at all machine based, she may have observed John of the future and perceived weaknesses, etc.

Which are pretty much the assumptions I’m spectating with, but...

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Also, there are limitless motivations for Cameron, who does lie pretty consistantly, and may in fact not have been sent back by John. We never see it happen. For all we know she's an infiltrator into the resistance. The idea I find most interesting is if Cameron is an infiltrator but not a simple plant for the metal side, but with an agenda of her own, like avoiding the war, peaceful coexistence, even if only motivated by self preservation, having done projections of future engagements and come to the conclusion that on its current path, humans will defeat machines.

...this would (for me) take it a step further. I need to re-binge. And it just made the free time I have a little bit more interesting.
Thanks.

STORYMARK

Monday, March 30, 2009 4:02 PM

Outlook is dim for the show right now. Brian Austin Green has signed on for a new show next year. Lena Hedey is going to be directing a film in England durring the normal shooting timeframe for a series, and all the sets have been torn down.

But, at least they'll get to finish out the season, and Summer is now working on Joss' new short, so silver lining and all...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

06K64

Monday, March 30, 2009 5:05 PM

Reality impinges. (Storymark, you killjoy, you! ;p )

Anybody think they'll get a bump from Salvation?

It would be pretty stupid not to try to coodinate and cross-market...

Oh...right. Fox.

PACHELBEL

Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:29 AM

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Excellent show. Those not watching, IMHO, start from the beginning, watch straight through.

Oh, I binge watched them after I came in somewhere in the 2nd season.

I guess you got lucky. Through the beginning of season 2, the show got so bad I had to stop watching. I caught a bit of it a few weeks back, and realized I had no chance of catching up .. so much had changed.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:13 PM

I've wrestled with my feelings for this show since the start. Some episodes are terrific, and some are pretty bad. Summer Glau is always great, but the show wallows sometimes in boring side elements that go nowhere, and those are usually the episodes that don't feature Summer. They've taken a lot of liberties with the original Terminator story, and while some new tidbits of the future have been fascinating, many have not.

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, April 4, 2009 2:51 AM

something went wrong on my system and I can't watch new eps. ah well, pity if it dies.

SINGATE

Saturday, April 4, 2009 8:15 AM

If these last few episodes are any indication it seems the show will not be back for another season.

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About half of the (semi)regulars have been wiped out: Riley, Jesse, Derek, Charley. The last two were truly bolts from the blue. To top it all off Sarah is arrested at the end of last night's episode. Next week looks more like a series finale rather than a season finale

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FLATTOP

Saturday, April 4, 2009 9:59 AM

I think the Metal factions is an interesting story arc. I especially liked the exchange between Weaver & John Henry

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"Do you know the story of Cain & Able"
"Yes I do"
"Which brother am I?"
"Maybe you're neither. Maybe you're God."

That opened up a whole realm of possibilities for the future, and may tie in quite nicely with with the new Salvation feature. I suspect the entire series, initially billed as "Not cannon with the films" may have been a huge marketing lead in for Salvation. Which would be interesting also. No doubt some new record for money spent promoting a feature film.

Another exchange, this one I found greatly amusing, was between Weaver & Savannah:

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"I'm teaching John Henry a song"
"Perhaps you can teach it to me?"
"No. You can't sing."

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JONGSSTRAW

Saturday, April 4, 2009 10:27 AM

I offically take back any previous negative comments I made a few days ago. I thought last night's episode was absolutely mesmorizing and fantastic. So many plot elements all seemed to merge into one spectacular show. The acting was top notch, and the story brought out many strong emotional feelings. Summer was nothing less than epic and brilliant. The characters were all, in my opinion, just more perfectly believeable and powerful than anything they've aired before. Next week is the season finale. There will also be an extended preview of the upcoming movie.
I wonder what Summer Glau will do next. I'd love to see her team up with Alan Tuydk in a prime time sit-com. That would be something fun and different. I think they'd make a cute couple and could be very funny. Have other Firefly alums guest star too.

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