TSCC Rules

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PIRATENEWS

Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:10 AM

The writers finally let John Conner grow up tonight. Good for them.

Last Voyage of the Jimmy Cotta. Ha.

Is she dead or alive?

"Sarah Conner Chronicles is my favorite Fox show. I had a hard time saying that for a long time."
-Joss Whedon, Access Hollywood: Dollhouse
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/12/exclusive-dollh.html

"Don't you need probable cause? You mean you can lie like that? That is so cool!"
-Castle, Nanny McDead
http://abc.go.com/primetime/castle/

FELIXDACAT

Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:47 PM

Ok...I'm a major lurker when it comes to these boards, but still...I was wondering when someone would notice what’s been happening lately on the Sarah Conner Chronicles.
The 3/20 episode was the most intense show of this season.
Despite what Josh Friedman said recently about how the show is called the "Sarah Conner Chronicles" and thus is about Sarah Conner, it’s starting to morph into the "John Conner becomes John Conner Chronicles".
The scene of John's confrontation with Jesse was perfectly written and perfectly acted on Thomas Dekker's part. You can almost see the last of his adolescence falling to the wayside and the future leader taking over.
Early in the 3/27 episode, as they are about to leave the house, John says “Let’s go” and you can tell he is becoming the leader of their band. Given enough time (another season please) there should be a major confrontation between him and Sarah about who is going to be in charge from now on. When it comes down to it, Sarah is still an ex-waitress, and John is going to be the one who not everyone loves, not everyone agrees with, but who everyone follows. I really enjoy and understand this John Conner better that the one from T3. Thomas Dekker’s Conner makes a lot more sense. It makes me wonder if in the middle of an action packed, CGI thriller, if Christian Bale’s Conner will be able to be able to transmit the emotional complexity of the one man who holds off extinction.
As a browncoat, I started out watching because of Summer Glau. She is still hitting the perfect notes with Cameron. At the end of the 3/20 episode, when John is finally able to breakdown but only alone with his mother, her expression conveyed both disinterest as well as been there, seen that. Cameron seems to know John better than anyone else.
There are very few posts about TSCC in this verse, but I hope the browncoats continue to watch.

FX

SUASOR

Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:31 PM

Yeah, the scripts definitly took a new direction this season. Now we have "the other" SkyNet type entity. Apparently the season (series?) finale is a high energy event.

ASARIAN

Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by felixdacat:
Despite what Josh Friedman said recently about how the show is called the "Sarah Conner Chronicles" and thus is about Sarah Conner, it’s starting to morph into the "John Conner becomes John Conner Chronicles".

The scene of John's confrontation with Jesse was perfectly written and perfectly acted on Thomas Dekker's part. You can almost see the last of his adolescence falling to the wayside and the future leader taking over.

Yep. This is the first time for me that I didn't think of Dekker as a whiny dweep, but actually saw him as a believable will-be leader. He showed independence, persistence, tact even, and the ability to oversee the larger picture of what's happening around him. I never much cared for Sarah anyway. Her constant negativity has always bugged me, and has now reached a point where I can hardly stand her any more.

I'll miss Stephanie Jacobsen, though. Mighty shaggedelic, that one. :) And she can act. Liked her in 'Razor', too. It's kinda sad the whole Jesse story ends so abruptly, especially when her backstory with the sub and all was getting pretty interesting.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:36 AM

John is getting better, but has miles to go. Cameron carries the show still, with help from Sarah who is great. I'm really enjoying John Henry. I wonder if he was hacked by Cameron.

With BSG gone, T:SCC has moved to my top spot as the best show on TV, Kings has potential, but the media hates it and it will be killed. I confess I'm no longer watching dollhouse, so no one will have to endure my comments on it.

I like shows that challenge the message, and slip us some of the signal. I'm not quite sure what this one is saying. Jesse's way was the wrong way, I don't know if she had to die, or even if she did, but the signal was clear. The mission parameters have changed. It is impossible to stop the machine, so the only objective can be to change who the machine is. This is true for all thing, as it is true for John Henry, as it is true for John Connor. Jesse said Cameron was sent back in time to change who John Connor is, I believe this is true. What I haven't figured out is whether she was sent by John Connor to perform this task.

"Who is fighting this war anyway?" Future Connor is a machine. Maybe he's really a machine? I doubt it, but he thinks like one, maybe he needs to. A lot still to think about.

If Jesse had not opened the box, would an alliance with liquid metal be possible? Did human technophobia prompt disaster? Or would it simply have killed John?

Excellent show. Those not watching, IMHO, start from the beginning, watch straight through.

ECGORDON

Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I'm really enjoying John Henry. I wonder if he was hacked by Cameron.

I'm thinking he was hacked by whatever defense computer Fischer programmed in the earlier episode "Complications."

Quote:
Originally posted by felixdacat:
Ok...I'm a major lurker when it comes to these boards, but still...I was wondering when someone would notice what’s been happening lately on the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
[snip]
There are very few posts about TSCC in this verse, but I hope the browncoats continue to watch.

I'm pretty much a lurker at every board I visit, but I try to keep up with most of the threads relevant to shows I enjoy. One of the best discussions of TSCC is on the scifi.com forums, in the "General Discussion" area in the last section of the board. Some good speculation, and more importantly, even those who like to talk about upcoming shows are good about hiding spoilers, which I try to avoid whenever possible.

06K64

Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:16 PM

I've been mesmerised this season. I'm not sure I can think of a complaint, and the story avenues have proven increasingly intriguing. The "chess" arc, conceptually, is taking great shape.

FX- just rewatched Lighthouses, and, bizarrely 'cause it's probably a big part of what the show should be about, I really started to see John Connor coming int his own. You're right- we're starting to see this shift from Sarah to John in terms of responsibility.

What's the overall feeling- Do we think Jesse's dead? It looks like it's been done deliberately not to answer that either way.

Also, with regard to John breaking down, I thought it was interesting that Cameron was sitting there, too. These are the two "people" John trusts the most.

These new eps can't come quickly enough..!

EARLYWARNING

Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:06 PM

Maybe, he is skynet.

Gorramit Jim ! Im a Doctor not a frackin colonial marine

DREAMTROVE

Monday, March 30, 2009 1:59 AM

Jesse is in TV limbo.

I think that because television show is a long production schedule hinging on viewer sentiment, the availability of the actress and popularity of the character are probably determining factors.

Haken made the point that shows are now written and filmed so far in advance that they can't possibly hinge on viewing audience feedback, but they must still be hinging on some feedback. My guess is they have a test audience, and they use that, and some very delayed data on general sentiment.

The jesse-riley thread wasn't very popular, and I have to say it annoyed me as well. I don't know why. There was a construction problem of some sort. The idea was good, the acting was okay, but it just didn't work. I don't know if it was john or the writing, but the john-riley relationship failed to develop. There's so much going on that they can't devote enough time to individual things (heroes also has this problem) Sometimes you need to cut back on the number of elements and focus.

So, they ended the thread very nicely because it was unpopular overall, and I don't think that's any secret. I guess the question now might be, is jesse by herself interesting.

I'm always tweaking things in my mind. I would have had Cameron say "Yes" to she knew Jesse, not "I met her once." I think that leaves more options for future writers. The two characters might have had more of a past. Though the point has been made that Cameron lies a lot.

06K64

Monday, March 30, 2009 4:19 AM

I agree about the Jesse-Riley thread. There was something that didn’t click. What I really liked about Jesse, though, is that she was yet another element that led us away from the notion that this was just a Human v. Metal story- just two teams, black and white. There are different factions within the human side, and it seems there are different factions within the metal side. And we’re seeing the line blur, too. To me, I guess, Jesse represented a shade of grey, a different perspective on how we’re supposed to perceive the John Connor of the future.(Do you remember in which ep Jesse said Cameron was sent back to change John? I missed that, and it's an interesting angle. I want to check it out.)

The production schedule question is interesting. I'm always curious as to how much influence feedback has. Maybe they’ve filmed alternate storylines. A bit like those old choose-your-own-adventure books...

And I do wonder if Jesse and Cameron had only met once. That’s a lot of animosity for Jesse to harbor for just one meeting...

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