Facing the Myth of Redemptive Violence

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KWICKO

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:15 PM

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And you'd think we're basing our arguments on the Bible because...

Becuase, silly, America was founded as a Christian nation! Gosh, don't you know anything?

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CITIZEN

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:19 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Sig, Cit,

There is a BIG difference. Killing, while not pretty....is FAR different from murder.

Killing someone who is destroying your life...ok. Murdering someone who disagrees with you.....not ok.

I don't remember making any distinction between killing murder or anything else. I remember saying the state has no right to decide who lives and who dies.

AURaptor advocates child murder:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:29 PM

Siggy, those are the questions that occured to me just prior to my teen years, and the adults could not, or would not, answer.

Knowing the answers is easy, applying them is not.

Watching Synanon/The Seed/WWASPS and their whole adversarial hate-based compliance through torture model crash and burn though...

That's domino number one.

We need to elevate our young to people, consider them human beings, rather than sub-humans about on par with livestock on a social and legal level.

We *CAN* do that, consider how women were once considered the same, but have damn near acheived equality despite rock-headed throwback neanderthals with a Y chromosone pissed off about it.

And yes, before anyone starts whining, sure, there ARE folks who want retaliation instead of equality, but the best defense against that brand of stupidity is never giving it the serious credence it requires to obtain traction in the first place.

It really does, in every case, come down to what we DO to our kids in the name of this society, and how the backlash from that dynamic poisons every single step and structure of it from the ground up.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:17 AM

FREM- At the risk of sounding religious: Amen, brother.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:02 PM

Frem- never got your pm. If it was important, try again.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

CITIZEN

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:15 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
It really does, in every case, come down to what we DO to our kids in the name of this society, and how the backlash from that dynamic poisons every single step and structure of it from the ground up.

I've always been interested by the correlation that those that commit atrocities are often those that were abused as Children. Saddam Hussein was apparently beaten and tortured regularly as a child. I think Stalin was as well. Hitler said his father beat him, and that he had resolved never to cry out when his father whipped him.

When so many of the worlds most fucked up dictators all have the commonality of being abused as children, I begin to wonder how much it is correlation and how much it is causation.

AURaptor advocates child murder:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:22 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:

I've always been interested by the correlation that those that commit atrocities are often those that were abused as Children.

GW seems to have been a victim of neglect...

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:58 PM

"The Bible actually says, "Thou shalt not MURDER"..."

The OLD Testament says thou shalt not murder. The NEW testament says thou shalt not KILL as does the Christian version of the OT.

As followers of crust, er ... Christ in a Christian nation (I think that's where you're going with this), I believe we are to follow the words of Christ, not those of the Jews. Is that the point you're making ?

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BTW, there are MANY passages in the Christian version of the OT that were changed from the Jewish version. Are you going to argue for the purity of the Jewish version or of the Christian version ?

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Silence is consent.

KWICKO

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:36 PM

Actually, short of a time machine, I doubt many, if ANY, actually KNOW what the bible says about much of anything. You know what you've been TOLD it says, but unless you read dead languages, you don't even know for a fact what was written down - and even then, it was written down many years after the alleged events took place. And it was written from many points of view, so that one gospel doesn't usually back up what another gospel says.

And that's not even going into the "lost" or "fogotten" gospels, which were stricken from the canonical record and purposely left out, because they said things that didn't jibe with what the early Church wanted to say.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:39 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Frem- never got your pm. If it was important, try again.

Heh, you're already here.

I PM'd you with the link above and the thought that it deserved it's own thread, and then was like "doh!" and created the thread myself... silly me.

-F

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