Map of the Verse discussion
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Another itinerary is for Those Left Behind.
Starting on Constance, next at a dock which could be on Persephone since Badger is there, then someplace where Badger is left, then the site of Battle of Sturges, then to the Training House somewhere around Deadwood.
The Battle of Sturges might be near Sturges, but perhaps not. We can speculate so for initial computations, but cannot assume it is the case. We do not know how the battle was named - for instance, an incident during our recent century could have been named Battle of Bismark, when that ship was tracked, attacked, and finally sunk - it was nowhere near the Dakotas, as an example. Sturges is shown on Map of the Verse as 1st moon on Aphrodite, which is the world in 2nd orbital ring around protostar Murphy, being the 14th orbital ring of Georgia System.
Constance is the 3rd orbital path in Kalidasa System, 1.600Au from it's Sun. So the closest it comes to White Sun is about 119.4Au.
Assuming Persephone is the place Badger shows up, it's orbit is 0.037Au from Lux, which orbits White Sun 30.000Au, so the farthest Persephone gets is 30.037Au from White Sun.
So, the shortest travel distance from Constance to Persephone would be about 89.4Au, or about 35-38 hours of travel, at Serenity's max accel/decel.
Speculating that the Battle of Sturges was near Sturges, with Aphrodite being 0.044Au from Murphy, which orbits 16.000Au around Georgia Sun, the nearest Sturges would get to White Sun would be about 52Au.
So, the shortest travel distance from Persephone to Sturges would be about 22Au, or about 17-19 hours at Serenity's max accel/decel.
Deadwood can get as close as about 166Au to White Sun. So the shortest travel distance from Sturges to Deadwood would be about 114Au, or about 39-43 hours, at Serenity's max accel/decel.
I didn't see much reference to time in TLB, so does this seem like reasonable itinerary estimates to you folk?
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Itinerary for Pilot Serenity.
From Carrier Salvage aroun 0800-0900 to Persephone around 1200, planned stay until 1500 but abrupt departure sooner, then to Whitefall, and possibly on to Boros (not really certain about Boros).
Persephone around Lux is 30.037Au from White Sun at it's farthest reach.
Whitehall is 4th moon on Athens, which is in the 9th orbital ring of the Georgia System. Athens is 8.975Au from Georgia Sun, so is nearest White Sun at about 59Au distance. So at greatest proximity, Persephone and Whitefall are about 29Au apart from each other, or about 19-21 hours travel time at Serenity's max accel/decel.
Boros is the 3rd world in the Georgia System, 1.475Au from it's Sun. So the minimum distance from Whitefall to Boros is about 7.5Au and the max distance is about 10.45Au.
So this max distance would take about 12-13Au to travel at Serenity's max accel/decel.
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Itinerary for The Train Job.
Start off in a Unification Day celebration bar on a moon with 3 worlds in the sky and a ringed body in the background while leaving atmo. Then to Ezra where Niska' Skyplex orbits, then to an unknown place where the towns of Hancock and Paradiso are located.
There are 2 worlds on the Map of the Verse with rings. New Canaan and Beylix. Beylix is closest to Ezra. It could be supposed that St. Lucius is the location of the U-Day bar. Beylix is in the first orbit around protostar Penglai, which is the 11th orbital ring of the Kalidasa Sun. Beylix is 0.028Au from Penglai, which is 8.163Au from it's Sun, so Beylix gets as close as 112.8Au to White Sun.
Ezra is in the 1st orbital position in the Georgia System, 0.350Au from the Sun. This means the farthest Ezra gets from White Sun is about 68.35Au. So the closest Beylix and Ezra get to each other is about 44.5Au, for a travel time of about 24-27 hours at Serenity's max accel/decel.
This does seem out of line with the episode as portrayed. Above Lemming has already admitted that the Map of the Verse did not intend to show a world which was shown in the U-Day bar scene, so perhaps this is just an admitted error on the part of this identification in The Map of the Verse.
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Itinerary for Shindig.
Start on Santo, on to Persephone.
Santo orbits protostar Qin Shi Huang, in the 8th orbital ring around White Sun. With Santo having 0.044Au orbital radius, and QSH 16.312Au orbital radius, the farthest Santo gets from White Sun is 16.356Au.
The closest Persephone gets to White Sun is 29.963Au. So the closest that Santo and Persephone could get to each other is 13.607Au apart. This means a travel time of about 13-15 hours at Serenity's max accel/decel.
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Itinerary for Our Mrs. Reynolds.
Starts on Triumph, planned to go to Beaumonde, should take about 5-6 days.
Triumph orbits protostar Heinlein, which is in the 9th orbital ring of the Red Sun. Triumph is 0.020Au from Heinlein, which is 19.000Au from Red Sun. So the farthest Triumph gets from White Sun is about 87Au.
Beaumonde in the Kalidasa System gets as close as 108.15Au to White Sun. So at greatest proximity, Triumph and Beaumonde get about 21.15Au apart. This would be about 17-19 hours at Serenity's max accel/decel.
This is obviously well within the stated 5-6 day range. This also suggests Red Sun and Kalidasa are nowhere near their nearest orbital paths at this time of the year.
On the other hand, the greatest distance between them will be about 220.87Au. In 5 days (120hours), Serenity can travel 260Au at the slowest range of the max accel (not exceeding 2.5Au, about one third speed of light). This seems to show that not only is Serenity not at max speed, but also Red Sun is about opposite in the system from Kalidasa. Serenity could hit 220Au if traveling 108 hours and only getting to 2.5Au/hr - that's 12 hours less, and could still be referred to as "5 days" travel.
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Itinerary for Out of Gas.
The schedule is to get to Greenleaf in about a week, instead of a route which would normally take only 18 hours, according to Wash.
Greenleaf is 6.900Au from Red Sun. Pelorum on Lux around White Sun can get as far out as 30.06Au, or about 31Au away from Greenleaf at closest distance. Salisbury is 14.350Au from Kalidasa, so gets as close as 106.65Au to White Sun, and 31.75Au from Greenleaf at greatest proximity.
18 hours is about 20.6-25Au distance at Serenity's max accel/decel, so everything outside Red Sun system is outside the 18 hour range - unless Wash was exaggerating.
Greenleaf in the Red Sun system gives an 18 hour travel range out to the 2 protostars of the Red Sun, and the worlds around them. When on opposite sides of their system, they are as far as 26Au away, so they are likely almost on opposite sides of the Red Sun from Greenleaf.
Higgin's Moon is not in this range, but Mal needed to get the Jaynestown merchandise to Bernoulli by the end of that week, so maybe Bernoulli was in on of these worlds of the Red Sun system.
So it is most likely that Out of Gas occured in the Red Sun system.
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Training House location.
With the above listed travel times, we can narrow down the location of the Training House in the BDM - assuming we take Mal's "couple hours" from Haven to Training House, and same to return to Haven, as accurate.
With Haven as first moon on Deadwood, the next nearest planet is Gas Giant Dragon's Egg, and it's 5 Inhabitable moons - closest being about 2.35 Au away, at max proximity. This amounts to about 5-7 hours each way. Deadwood is 14.025Au from Blue Sun, and Dragon's Egg is 11.775Au with farthest orbiting moon another 0.013Au. So it seems none of these moons are where Training House is.
That leaves just Deadwood, the 2nd moon New Omaha, or Haven itself as the location of Training House (according to Map of the Verse.)
Any comments on this?
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Overview/summary of travel/orbital cycles.
Pilot Serenity: Georgia (Athens) is near Lux (Persephone).
Train Job: Kalidasa (Beylix) is near Georgia (Ezra, and maybe Boros or Athens), or else the ringed world of the Teaser was not represented in The Map of the Verse. This is about the same time as Pilot, soon after.
Shindig/Safe: Lux (Persephone) is very far from Red Sun (Jiangyin) and therefore very close to Georgia.
OMR: Red Sun (Triumph) is about opposite position from White Sun to Kalidasa (Beaumonde) - they are very far apart.
TLB: Kalidasa (Constance) is apparently near Lux (Persephone), which is possibly near Georgia (Sturges), and also near Blue Sun (Deadwood).
BDM: Blue Sun (Lilac, Haven, Miranda) is apparently near Kalidasa (Beaumonde).
So, in Pilot Georgia System is near Lux. In Shindig, Lux is about opposite of Red Sun (re: Safe) from the Core, meaning it is very close to Georgia System. This is still. Pilot and Shindig are maybe 2 months or 4 months apart from each other - looks like the orbital cycles keep these protostar and star in proximity for this long.
For OMR, Red Sun is about opposite Kalidasa, so Georgia is very near Kalidasa, and this is October 2517.
For TLB, Kalidasa is near Lux and Blue Sun, and possibly near Georgia. This is considered to be 6 months to 9 months after OMR, and Kalidasa orbits in the opposite direction as Blue Sun. It also seems weird that after telling Inara they are on their way to the Training House (Near Deadwood), they would backtrack to Persephone where Badger shows up.
Regarding TLB and BDM: these occur several months apart in time. Kalidasa and Blue Sun orbit White Sun in opposite directions. The above summary suggests that, several months apart, Kalidasa and Blue Sun are still very near each other while moving opposite in space. Seems like several additional Au of separation will have occurred. Not sure if this is intended, or an oversight mistake on the part of the Map of the Verse - or perhaps Beaumonde is still just not positioned correctly. If Beumonde were placed in Blue Sun system, this would make more sense of the BDM itinerary, and also the OMR itinerary.
The location of Mr Universe and the on-screen travel time from Miranda to Mr Universe seems to imply that Kalidasa is much farther from Blue Sun (Lilac and Haven) than what is also shown on screen - like 120Au, which is several days travel.
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Quote:
Originally posted by GreenFaerie:
Well, that's a little ironic. I made that map! Funny thing is, I made another one based on the QMX version and now have it at my FF RPG page instead of the old one...
http://wydraz.110mb.com/firefly/index.html
(a.k.a. wydraz)
Love your work.
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It has been recently pointed out to me that as of this moment, the White Paper available online has been updated with the data of orbital durations of the 4 Suns around the White Sun. Haven't checked for info on the Kowlon Fed Base or Kowlonshi or Ita Moon.
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