Police State

POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
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SERGEANTX

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:01 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Oh c'mon Story. Seriously, give me a target.

Not really so funny, Wulf. If we ever are in a situation where shooting is called for, the last thing we oughta do is talk about it on a message board.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

KWICKO

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:10 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
And?

Im just a simple citizen. I have no real power. I have no way of taking on the "powers-that-be".

I see these bastards every day, but have no real way of fighting them.

That's what I thought, and why I haven't jumped in.

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So, uh, guys...when are we going to actually do something about this?

So... When are YOU going to do something about it? Are you waiting for everyone else? Are you waiting for SOMEONE else to start?

Hell, that kind of attitude might have kept Dr. King alive!

A much better songwriter than me wrote:

Quote:
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

So. When do you start?

Mike

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:15 PM

Fair Enough.

Ruby Ridge here I come.

Except...I've got someone to take care of.

SO, give me a cause, give me something I can follow. Cus, sure as hell, Im not going out like some lone gunman.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:17 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Oh c'mon Story. Seriously, give me a target.

You seem to have several in mind already. Pick one, and put your money where your mouth is.

Pretty pathetic though, when after all your big talk, someone suggests you actually, you know - DO SOMETHING rather than just talk, and you turn it into a threat against that person, while avoiding doing what you say against those who have commited the wrongs you speak against. Those are the tactics of a coward who doesn't have the balls to do what he keeps insisting is right, and would rather strike at anyone who dared question his rhetoric.

And to be clear - I am not approving of the stories linked above (I don't know what the youtube one was, wouldn't open for me). Bad things happen, bad people get power. I hope the cop that shot the unarmed kid looses his job, and spends some time in prison.

But saying it's time for an armed rebellion over shit like that is childish. Every time you folks go hysteronic over stuff like this, it damages any credibility you might have when discussing something that might actually warrant it.

And, I find is incredibly telling that some of you (though not all, clearly) only really adopted this mentality when a Democrat won.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:22 PM

Bah, shootins easy - it's also, historically, ineffective.

I am going to steal a quote from The Acts of Caine here, you figure it the heck out, you'll understand what I mean in detail.

The Board of Governors: This seems a steep price for so small a service: to crush a powerless cripple.
Tan'elKoth: Doubly fools. He does have power. One power: the power to devote himself absolutely to a single goal, to be ruthless with himself and all else in its pursuit. It is the only power he needs - because, unlike the great mass of men, he is aware of this power, and he is willing, even happy, to use it.

Remember these words are coming from someone who took "no such thing" and "conspiracy theory" to ramming an iron fist down the throat of Synanon/The Seed/WWASPS till they fucking choked on it, even if it did take almost thirty years.

It's EASY to pick up a weapon, select a target and accomplish nothing more than damaging your own cause - but to undermine and assail the very foundations of your enemy, weapons are useless, or at least conventional weapons are.

Friendships, allies, contacts, faith, trust, and knowledge, the *power* of information - a weapon can be taken from you in an eyeblink, your armor shattered in a single blow, but the strength of MY weapons endures, and every attempt to smash them just gives them that much more power.

In the end, those that would see us as chattel will unknowingly hand me every single thing I need to crush them - and by those actions, will be their own undoing.

Start seeing angles instead of conflicts, potential allies (or at least unwitting dupes) instead of targets, find your friends across the field and arm them with the weapons above, leave tyranny no hand to wield it.

If folks are so willing to hand over the reins of their lives to the powers that be, what's stopping you from holding out YOUR hand with a better offer, neh ?

You're comin at it all wrong, if you wanna get the job done.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

KWICKO

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:30 PM

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Cus, sure as hell, Im not going out like some lone gunman.

It sounds very much like that's exactly what you're going out as.

And Frem is right about this, as usual. Pick your target - corrupt police, corrupt politicians, corrupt judges, whatever. Pick your target, only instead of trying to "take them out", concentrate on exposing their corruption. It's so much more efffective when you can put them all over YouTube and your local news picks it up!

So, put down your gun, pick up a camera and a microphone, and start exposing some shit.

Oh, and if you wanted to do a little creative vandalism, I'd not be one to tell you not to. There's lots of ways to spoof traffic cameras. Those cameras haven't been very effective around here. They don't seem to work very well, for very long.

Mike

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:44 PM

The point is....there shouldn't be cameras at all.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:26 PM

So cut off the freakin MONEY.

Manipulate the city council into extending the yellow time by one second in exchange for helping them redirect the income to their own pet projects and away from the police dept...

Then have a laugh as the ticket revenue plummets due to a sufficient yellow time and the pissed off city council kicks the camera company right out of town.

-F

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:

You should start a police state fan club or something.

SergeantX

Yeah, I hate the police, I love the police, so maybe 2 clubs?

You miss the point. You and Wulf are youngins' so you have more "theory" or in Wulf's case, unfocused anger/energy. That's the sheet metal that the anvil of experience will bang on. Go ahead and be stubborn and don't trust me.

Or, hey, do something. Apart from posting on a fan site. I just don't see it.

Last little story fwiw:

I had a couple of pretty old neighbors once. They sat on their front stoop every day unless it was really cold and I had to walk past them to get to my car. Every day they bitched about something new. "You know what they should do..." The easiest thing is to bitch about something - congratulations.

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I'd bet if Frem didn't see some part of himself in you he'd lay it on you a little more directly.

'cuz I didn't see his last posts.

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The point is....there shouldn't be cameras at all.

fuuuuuuuuck, have you seen this??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Street_View

It's the digital age my friend! Wake up! Embrace the future or get run over - it doesn't care.

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