Dollhouse: Gray Hour - Echo becomes a thief and loses herself on the same day.

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UPDATED: Thursday, March 12, 2009 19:18
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THESOMNAMBULIST

Monday, March 9, 2009 3:19 PM

Originally posted by ecgordon:

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The only way the Ballard-as-Alpha theory could hold water is if several of his scenes were only in his imagination and/or he has multiple personalities and/or he has had plastic surgery.

Well that's three ways right there. Not saying they're solid reasons, but I've seen more built on less.

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In the first episode he was in the FBI offices and interacted with several other agents. Plus, DeWitt and Dominic both know Alpha and also know what Ballard looks like.

Yeah but DeWitt especially is holding something back on this issue. I'm not entirely sure of her agenda. Last weeks episode where she is clearly adhering to a higher power intrigued me. I wasn't expecting that.

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Since Echo was already an active at the time Alpha went psycho it cannot have been that long ago, no time for him to have become an FBI agent, that is unless he was already an agent before he was abducted by the Dollhouse and turned into Alpha.

Opps and there's number four... Couldn't he have faked an agents identity? They Winchester boys do it all the time in Supernatural.

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Sorry, just not working for me.

Oh granted I'm reaching for sure. Thing that's bothering me slightly though is the show set-up. I think we've already met Alpha, otheriwse there's little reason to keep him a shadowy mystery. There's little point to build up to a 'big reveal' and then present us with someone we've not already come across. It would just fall flat. So I'm of the mind we've met him. For the moment the biggest revelation for me would be Ballard. Because he by TV show design, is classic misdirection.

PHOENIXROSE

Monday, March 9, 2009 3:38 PM

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
The only way the Ballard-as-Alpha theory could hold water is if several of his scenes were only in his imagination and/or he has multiple personalities and/or he has had plastic surgery. In the first episode he was in the FBI offices and interacted with several other agents. Plus, DeWitt and Dominic both know Alpha and also know what Ballard looks like. Since Echo was already an active at the time Alpha went psycho it cannot have been that long ago, no time for him to have become an FBI agent, that is unless he was already an agent before he was abducted by the Dollhouse and turned into Alpha.

Sorry, just not working for me.

I concur.

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ASARIAN

Monday, March 9, 2009 4:51 PM

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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
I normally try to stay away from these sorts of discussions, but, yeah... that didn't make much sense to me, either:

"I can't tell you the details, but we need someone who's unflappable in a tight situation, who can think on the fly, and who can organize a team to break into an incredibly high security vault and get out in one piece...... oh...... and here's a drawing of a piece of the Parthenon for reference..... but... um... yeah, that has *nothing* to do with the engagement." ((innocent whistling))

A few other things that bothered me:

1. Why would anyone spend hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of dollars on an engagement for a midwife? A midwife. Seriously? Midwives still exist and operate today, ya know.... The idea that someone filthy rich would rather deal with the Dollhouse for this sort of common activity is just absurd.

2. Echo's imprint was "wiped" over the phone using the squealing noise of a 54k modem. Niiiice. Sure, the "technology" they use hasn't been explained (yeah, yeah, it's not real), but to insinuate that nothing more than a series of tones and frequencies will cancel out the "real" imprint...? Weak plot device.

3. The Greek government is aware of the existance of the Dollhouse, but the US government is not. Ooookay.........

Is it bad that what you said makes perfect sense to me?

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

GEEZER

Monday, March 9, 2009 6:06 PM

I was pretty happy with the episode. Liked the sympathy swap between the two guys locked in the vault, and re-booting Taffy in Sierra.

Couple of things, though.

It would seem to make better sense if the entire team were Actives to avoid a possible double-cross, but that'd kind'a kill the story line.

The vault escape was too much a Deus ex Machina for me, what with the thousand-round magazine on the Tec-9 and the security guys who obligingly jumped from behind cover to be shot. How come neither Echo nor the wounded guy got tagged by all the wild fire while going out the pretty narrow door?

Anybody else get the idea that standard procedure if an Active is about to be captured is termination? When it looked like Echo would be caught, DeWitt told Dominic to send in other handlers as backup, because she didn't think Langdon would do what was needed.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

ROBSAD79

Monday, March 9, 2009 6:12 PM

I can't believe I waited until today to watch this episode. I'm actually liking the show more and more...
Hope we don't lose this show.

WASHNWEAR

Monday, March 9, 2009 6:31 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
I was pretty happy with the episode. Liked the sympathy swap between the two guys locked in the vault, and re-booting Taffy in Sierra.

Couple of things, though.

It would seem to make better sense if the entire team were Actives to avoid a possible double-cross, but that'd kind'a kill the story line.

The vault escape was too much a Deus ex Machina for me, what with the thousand-round magazine on the Tec-9 and the security guys who obligingly jumped from behind cover to be shot. How come neither Echo nor the wounded guy got tagged by all the wild fire while going out the pretty narrow door?

I believe Echo and WG were both wearing invisible body armor (Contrivance class, if I'm not mistaken) manufactured by Deus ex Machina Systems (a subsidiary owned jointly by Blackwater and Haliburton).

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Anybody else get the idea that standard procedure if an Active is about to be captured is termination?

That's what I'm thinkin'. I also wonder if DeWitt is that balky at neutralizing any Active, or is she more prone to looking out for Echo?

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When it looked like Echo would be caught, DeWitt told Dominic to send in other handlers as backup, because she didn't think Langdon would do what was needed.

Hmmm...well, maybe she's not that damn balky. But I keep thinking DeWitt is more (or other) than what she seems...

It was like that when we got here!

BYTEMITE

Monday, March 9, 2009 6:32 PM

Maybe part of the midwife thing was actually GETTING to the location: it looked like a pretty remote, cold, and inhospitable place. And maybe the parents wanted a natural birth without the sound of a helicopter in the distance. :)

So if midwife Echo had to hike in, I could maybe see why they'd engage a doll.

HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, March 9, 2009 7:16 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Maybe part of the midwife thing was actually GETTING to the location: it looked like a pretty remote, cold, and inhospitable place. And maybe the parents wanted a natural birth without the sound of a helicopter in the distance. :)

So if midwife Echo had to hike in, I could maybe see why they'd engage a doll.

Heh. =) Yeah... no, can't buy that. If it was so remote that someone would have had to hike in, how do you explain a full-term mother getting there? Unless you're thinking she was trapped in her home for the last 3+ months? I mean, seriously, it's not like they didn't have time to plan this out. (ZOMG! I'm suddenly pregnant and about to give birth! Quick! Call the Dollhouse!) A midwife can be hired for more than just the birthing; plenty of them can and do stay for months before and after, so they wouldn't have to be so bothered by the sound of a helicopter coming in and leaving the same day.... And that would *still* cost less and make more sense than an Active.

I know it was just a silly, few minutes long clip, but it was just ridiculous. They could have come up with something far better to show the diversity of their Actives.

ASARIAN

Monday, March 9, 2009 7:59 PM

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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:

I know it was just a silly, few minutes long clip, but it was just ridiculous. They could have come up with something far better to show the diversity of their Actives.

Yeah, midwife was just ridiculous, really. :) I mean, it's a midwife. I know they want to show Echo in a diversity of roles, but a midwife? C'mon!

And her escape from the vault remains pretty lame, too. Didn't we see an entire regiment of fine young Alliance Federals outside that vault? The same regiment that allegedly let Echo slip by under their noses and then took off for their camp without so much as a whoopsie daisy? I don't think so! The whole thing was set up so that once they were screwed, they'd be, well, screwed. :) One cannister of smoke ain't gonna throw these guards off -- if, for nothing else, because someone throwing a cannister of gas at you, near as I can tell, is itself a pretty darn big red-flag in the security biz. :) Or at least it ought to be.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

ECGORDON

Monday, March 9, 2009 11:32 PM

I'm starting to think that the midwife scenario was not a Dollhouse engagement, but rather a memory from Echo's previous life as Caroline. Notice that the mind-wipe sequence started suddenly just after the mother gave birth, not after Echo's handler told her it was time for her treatment, which is what has happened every other time at the end of an engagement.

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