Watchmen

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WASHNWEAR

Monday, March 9, 2009 2:36 PM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Geez, what the heck was that?
Murderers, rapists, serial killers, assassins are superheroes? Where's that get fun?
I was like a surreal liberal fantasyland, not much made sense.
RMN in his 5th term, and there is still MAD? how is that supposed to have happened, except in pure fantassy? Without Jimmy Cotta to prolong the Cold War, how could it have lasted into 1985? It should have been ended 6 years before it did in real life, so about 1982ish. No term limits were enacted? Does that mean also no new VPs? Did RMN's original new VP (GHWB) make it? If so, why would Bush not have been the next candidate, instead of RWR?

And has there been a worse film soundtrack? If there has been, I have thankfully rid my mind of it.

At the risk of being struck by lightning for positive allusions to a Will Smith film, I must admit that even Hancock had a better understanding of the relationship which must exist between superhero and public.
Liberals must be overjoyed to have their criminal elements hoisted to suprehero status in this surreal nightmare.

About the only positive thing I can say is that the last film I felt I wanted a refund for was Fireproof, and this wasn't quite as bad as that. But rarely have I enjoyed a film less than this.

What a fascinating review, and so...RWED-y.

Have you read the graphic novel, JSF? I have not, but my understanding is that many of these nasty liberal elements and story points were in the novel, and since the movie is based on the novel...well, things creep in.

If only David Zucker had been available...

It was like that when we got here!

CHRISISALL

Monday, March 9, 2009 2:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

Liberals must be overjoyed to have their criminal elements hoisted to suprehero status in this surreal nightmare.

Dude, If I could enjoy Red Dawn, you can like Watchmen.

The laughing Chrisisall

RIVERDANCER

Monday, March 9, 2009 3:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I was like a surreal liberal fantasyland, not much made sense.

That's amazing. You can take a complex story about causality and the human condition, a story that may well have one of the most right-wing characters ever to grace the page - though that's hardly what it's about - and sum it up like this. What a small place your world must be.

MUGGI

Monday, March 9, 2009 3:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Geez, what the heck was that?
Murderers, rapists, serial killers, assassins are superheroes? Where's that get fun?
I was like a surreal liberal fantasyland, not much made sense.
RMN in his 5th term, and there is still MAD? how is that supposed to have happened, except in pure fantassy? Without Jimmy Cotta to prolong the Cold War, how could it have lasted into 1985? It should have been ended 6 years before it did in real life, so about 1982ish. No term limits were enacted? Does that mean also no new VPs? Did RMN's original new VP (GHWB) make it? If so, why would Bush not have been the next candidate, instead of RWR?

And has there been a worse film soundtrack? If there has been, I have thankfully rid my mind of it.

At the risk of being struck by lightning for positive allusions to a Will Smith film, I must admit that even Hancock had a better understanding of the relationship which must exist between superhero and public.
Liberals must be overjoyed to have their criminal elements hoisted to suprehero status in this surreal nightmare.

About the only positive thing I can say is that the last film I felt I wanted a refund for was Fireproof, and this wasn't quite as bad as that. But rarely have I enjoyed a film less than this.

Wow...I gotta admit, I don't think I've ever seen someone swing and miss so badly when trying to understand the point of a film.

No offense man but you saw what you wanted to see, not what was actually on the screen. Rorshach is a hardcore conservative, not a hero. Ozy is a hardcore liberal, not a hero...and ends up murdering millions to get his "Utopia". This is a conservative-leaning work. The Comedian is the jester of the film...he's the only one who sees neither approach works, so plays out a farce of both. In ther end the film/book is about the nature of man though, not their defined political roles.

I find it really strange you readf so much into the geopolitical landscape of the Cold War/who would be VP and completely missed the point of the characters and the message of the film.

CORNCOBB

Monday, March 9, 2009 4:33 PM

@Jewelstaitefan
Methinks you miss the point, or perhaps the film faild to express it clearly (I haven't seen it).
The idea behind the book was not to build up the status of criminals and deviants, but to question the motives of superheroes - what kind of psychological hang-ups must someone have to dress up in a costume and beat up people they see as evil? It's actually disturbingly close to facist and serial killer mentalities, and that's what Moore was aiming for - uncompromising psychological realism.
It sounds like the film also failed to explain the political background, it seemed to make sense in the novel.
Btw, I think of myself as a liberal: I'm anti-war, anti-capitalism, and pro-human-rights. I do however think serious or persistent criminals are scum. We're not all criminal-lovers.

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

STORYMARK

Monday, March 9, 2009 5:37 PM

Hardcore right wingers don't like exploration of the grey tones. Good guys are good, bad gutys are bad - the end. Blur those lines, they get shut down and can't look at what's in front of them on their own terms.

And the "liberal fantasy" thing is pretty funny when the most-liked character in the film is, as was mentioned, one of the most conservative characters ever rendred, and spends a good portion of the movie complaining about liberals.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

KWICKO

Monday, March 9, 2009 5:51 PM

Quote:

Liberals must be overjoyed to have their criminal elements hoisted to suprehero status in this surreal nightmare.

Well, it IS easy to elevate criminals and terrorists to superhero status in real life - all you have to do is call them "freedom fighters", "mujahideen", and "contras"! Voila! Terrorist = Superhero in the minds of conservatives!

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

PHOENIXROSE

Monday, March 9, 2009 5:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Hardcore right wingers don't like exploration of the grey tones. Good guys are good, bad gutys are bad - the end. Blur those lines, they get shut down and can't look at what's in front of them on their own terms.

As Rorschach so aptly demonstrates

I just read the comic, I was told I had to before I'd be allowed to see the movie. The story fascinated me, the links and the cause and effect, the wild perspectives of the various characters. And I know that Rorschach is considered one of the great characters of history, but he was not my favorite. I was much more interested in the perspectives of Nite Owl and Dr. Manhattan. The motivations of both Silk Specres also intrigued me, to a lesser extent.

I'm very eager to see the movie, now. And I have to say, I don't think following the source material is a flaw; my main beef with Lord of the Rings was where it departed from the books, which it only did a little.

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PIRATENEWS

Monday, March 9, 2009 7:49 PM

More (Moore) predictive programming from offshored Hollywood, of Illuminati's Pyramid (Scheme) Corp creating global governance (dictatorship) out of false-flag terrorism (JFK assassination from grassy knoll and WTC 9.11 per Operation Northwoods by Tricky Dick Nixon). Nixon BTW is president in Watchmen, whose White House plumbers confessed to shooting JFK in the Real World. "We had to terrorize USA to save USA" was the motto of this movie. New World Odor Satanism requires telling the sheep exactly what will happen to them, since silence is consent to adhesion contracts.

Similar to Batman The Dark Knight founding 9.11 Truth while "justifying" superhero UAV jets crashing into skyscrapers to assassinate US presidents during the president's false-flag UAV attacks on USA, written weeks BEFORE 9.11. If you don't read the book you don't get the joke. Since 99% of sheeple don't read, they never know what hit em.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1802095826640429181
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/12/dark-knight-dvd-holy-batshit
-911-truth.html

STORYMARK

Monday, March 9, 2009 8:09 PM

PN, shut the fuck up. Noone bought your BS Dark Knight conspiracy crap. Just because there's a new comic movies, it doesn't mean we want to be subjected to your insane paranoia again.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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