Verse Map: White Paper Available

POSTED BY: Lemming
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 07:42
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LEMMING

Monday, March 2, 2009 10:29 PM

http://www.qmxonline.com/The_Verse_in_Numbers.pdf

This is a free download of 100 pages, detailing just about every planet and moon in the Verse and tying everything on The Map into some sort of order. Or as Andy of QMX puts it:

"...... I want to make sure you understand that the next 100 pages (no, really, 100 pages) represent the most painstakingly-researched and thoughtful effort to make sense of a bunch of hooey I've ever seen, and I am speaking as something of an expert on hooey. J. Chris Bourdier is a insane genius and the most dedicated fan of any show/movie that it has ever been my pleasure to work with. And I humbly bow my head to his Awesomeness and the singular achievement this document represents.
Consider yourself warned."

There is a huge amount of work in this and I expect it to create some discussion, but it nevertheless manages to create a basis, if you like, for a complete catalogue of The Verse that is internally consistent (if not 100% cosmologically feasible!)

As an aside, there is included another alternative timeline that fits with what we know, but is entirely speculative.

It's a work in progress if you like and updates and revisions are more than possible.

This complements The Map and contains most of the assumptions that allowed it to be put together. Put another way, it is fanwankery of a fairly high order (that's a compliment by the way: I couldn't have done it!)

Nick
(The Signal: www.serenityfirefly.com)

SCHISM

Monday, March 2, 2009 11:26 PM

I just wanted to say that I am speechless.

Utterly, utterly speechless.

Except for the ability to say that I am in fact speechless.

Otherwise, this is me, totally speechless.

2BY2GINGERBLUE

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 12:10 AM

The Verse as created by an alternate god.
Thank You, I needed this today.

NCBROWNCOAT

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 3:09 AM

My only question is how long will it take to download.

http://fireflyfaninnc.livejournal.com/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 4:56 AM

Hey Lemming, I can't post there. Can you post if, in addition to Ita Moon, they can make a world with rings, preferably in the Georgia System, and with 4 other bodies in close proximity (like 4 moons). This would identify the location of the U-Day Bar in the Train Job teaser.
Thanks.

Quote:
Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
My only question is how long will it take to download.

Yesterday it took me longer to print out than to download.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 9:46 AM

Hey, also can you post for them to include the orbital duration for the other suns around White? Like how long does it take Georgia and Red to complete an orbit around White Sun? Same for Kalidasa and Blue Sun.

ASARIAN

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 9:52 AM

The Serenity Blu-Ray has a Verse map too in the Alliance database (be it somewhat limited, near as I can tell). Maybe that'll help too.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

LEMMING

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 10:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Hey Lemming, I can't post there. Can you post if, in addition to Ita Moon, they can make a world with rings, preferably in the Georgia System, and with 4 other bodies in close proximity (like 4 moons). This would identify the location of the U-Day Bar in the Train Job teaser.
Thanks.

Here we go again ;-)

The short answer is no, again. Sorry.

The longer answer might be to study the white paper and see if it could be possible to fit something like that in. Adjustments to the white paper are possible (though not up to me, you'd need to talk to Chris B and Andy at QMX) and you are of course completely free to accept or ignore what's in the Map or white paper as you wish. What cannot be changed now though, is the Map itself. That's a fixed (and very beautiful) piece of Geoff Mandel's artwork and revising artwork after the fact simply isn't going to happen. For fan fiction needs, I'd say just ignore inconvenient details :-)

For canon definition needs though, bear in mind that The Train Job was the second pilot and that the ringed planet and moons *just looked nice* and that's probably all there was to that shot (no map, no grand plan, no certainty of even getting the series go ahead at that stage)

My opinion is that reading definitive location information into a brief eye candy backdrop in a pilot episode, is essentially pointless.
Place the U-Day bar wherever makes sense timing wise if you must (i.e within easy reach of Ezra I imagine) and never mind about ringed planets.

That's not to say that if Serenity II for example ever eventually got made and stuff in that contradicted the Map (which would be entirely possible as it's Joss Whedon's Verse after all) that a Map 2.0 encompassing all the existing inconsistencies would not be a possible project, but it would take even longer to do! :-)

Hey, I didn't "wibble" this time at least :-)

Nick
(The Signal: www.serenityfirefly.com)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 10:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lemming:
Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Hey Lemming, I can't post there. Can you post if, in addition to Ita Moon, they can make a world with rings, preferably in the Georgia System, and with 4 other bodies in close proximity (like 4 moons). This would identify the location of the U-Day Bar in the Train Job teaser.
Thanks.

Here we go again ;-)

The short answer is no, again. Sorry.

The longer answer might be to study the white paper and see if it could be possible to fit something like that in. Adjustments to the white paper are possible (though not up to me, you'd need to talk to Chris B and Andy at QMX) and you are of course completely free to accept or ignore what's in the Map or white paper as you wish. What cannot be changed now though, is the Map itself. That's a fixed (and very beautiful) piece of Geoff Mandel's artwork and revising artwork after the fact simply isn't going to happen. For fan fiction needs, I'd say just ignore inconvenient details :-)

For canon definition needs though, bear in mind that The Train Job was the second pilot and that the ringed planet and moons *just looked nice* and that's probably all there was to that shot (no map, no grand plan, no certainty of even getting the series go ahead at that stage)

My opinion is that reading definitive location information into a brief eye candy backdrop in a pilot episode, is essentially pointless.
Place the U-Day bar wherever makes sense timing wise if you must (i.e within easy reach of Ezra I imagine) and never mind about ringed planets.

That's not to say that if Serenity II for example ever eventually got made and stuff in that contradicted the Map (which would be entirely possible as it's Joss Whedon's Verse after all) that a Map 2.0 encompassing all the existing inconsistencies would not be a possible project, but it would take even longer to do! :-)

Hey, I didn't "wibble" this time at least :-)

Nick

I did not mean to change the Map. I meant to post in the comments of that page for the White Paper. It says it is a living document, intended to be changed and revised to correct oversights. That's from Chris B, posted there, and he's entertaining the input about Ita Moon in the comments section. I cannot post there, so I was asking if you could for me. I understand the Map is not going to be changed, that's not what I'm asking. After the White Paper has designated the locations of places like Ita Moon and the ringed world, we could just pretend the image on the Map was a side shot where the ring is invisible when in the plane of view. The White Paper, as a living document, could alter it's image to make a ringed world, I suppose - doesn't mean the Map product would need to be changed.
So, could you post for consideration of change and update, besides Ita Moon, the ringed world, plus the orbital duration of the outer 4 Suns?
I also notice they have some notes for some other data. Can you also post if they have determined locations for Kowlon Fed Base, and Kowlonshi (Kaylee's birthplace)?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 10:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:
The Serenity Blu-Ray has a Verse map too in the Alliance database (be it somewhat limited, near as I can tell). Maybe that'll help too.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

This map in the database does not seem to mesh with the Map of the Verse, or the White Paper. The database stuff just seems to reiterate info from the show. It's also very limited.

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