Map of the Verse discussion

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, February 23, 2009 9:27 AM

Upon further review, I notice that during the series, Serenity and crew never visit or plan to, or mention any world or moon in Blue Sun system.

But then in BDM, we spend most of the time in Blue Sun, with Lilca, Haven, Miranda, Training House, Haven again.
Beaumonde is shown on the Map of the Verse as being in Kalidasa (which seems too far away, IMO), and perhaps Mr. Universe's place is not in Blue Sun.

Anyboyd find this weird? They've known Fanty & Mingo awhile it seems. Same with the Haven mining community.
I wonder if I'm missing something here.

PLATONIST

Monday, February 23, 2009 5:41 PM

The movie needed to show different worlds, those of Blue Sun System are out of the way and mostly uninhabited (the West), and TLB stages the progression purposely. Mal drops Inara off at the new Training House, finds a home for Book and then stays close by, to protect Inara when needed (does he really look THAT surprised when she calls for help?) and he uses Haven for a hideaway when necessary.

Beaumonde is used to show commerce and where Mal finds his work with Fanty and Mingo and where River is first exposed to the Operative. There are more people and technology, less to hide. A different world.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:59 AM

Overview/summary of travel/orbital cycles.

Pilot Serenity: Georgia (Athens) is near Lux (Persephone).

Train Job: Kalidasa (Beylix) is near Georgia (Ezra, and maybe Boros or Athens), or else the ringed world of the Teaser was not represented in The Map of the Verse. This is about the same time as Pilot, soon after.

Shindig/Safe: Lux (Persephone) is very far from Red Sun (Jiangyin) and therefore very close to Georgia.

OMR: Red Sun (Triumph) is about opposite position from White Sun to Kalidasa (Beaumonde) - they are very far apart.

TLB: Kalidasa (Constance) is apparently near Lux (Persephone), which is possibly near Georgia (Sturges), and also near Blue Sun (Deadwood).

BDM: Blue Sun (Lilac, Haven, Miranda) is apparently near Kalidasa (Beaumonde).

So, in Pilot Georgia System is near Lux. In Shindig, Lux is about opposite of Red Sun (re: Safe) from the Core, meaning it is very close to Georgia System. Is this still, or again? Pilot and Shindig are maybe 2 months or 4 months apart from each other - will the orbital cycles keep these protostar and star in proximity for this long?

For OMR, Red Sun is about opposite Kalidasa, so Georgia is very near Kalidasa, and this is October 2517.
For TLB, Kalidasa is near Lux and Blue Sun, and possibly near Georgia. This is considered to be 6 months to 9 months after OMR, and Kalidasa orbits in the opposite direction as Blue Sun and Georgia and Lux.

Regarding TLB and BDM: these occur several months apart in time. Kalidasa and Blue Sun orbit White Sun in opposite directions. The above summary suggests that, several months apart, Kalidasa and Blue Sun are still very near each other while moving opposite in space. Not sure if this is intended, or an oversight mistake on the part of the Map of the Verse - or perhaps Beaumonde is still just not positioned correctly. If Beumonde were placed in Blue Sun system, this would make more sense of the BDM itinerary, and also the OMR itinerary.

GREENFAERIE

Friday, February 27, 2009 9:39 PM

QMX has just made available the Vers Map white paper with 100 pages of info concerning the map. Should explain a few things!

http://www.fireflyshipworks.com/2009/02/the-verse-in-numbers/

(a.k.a. wydraz)

BRIGLAD

Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:41 AM

Cool. I run my fanfic off the Role Playing game map. Rather than rewrite 300,000 words worth of fan fiction, I'll stick with what I've been using, other than maybe using a few of the new world names.

The coolest thing is that I pulled a two year orbital period out of thin air for Boros in my Allanverse series and according to the white paper, I got it damn close (1/4 of a year is close enough for me)

I suppose as soon as I am gainfully employed again, I'll have to get the map.

This is the one I use for my fanfics

Brian

GREENFAERIE

Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:53 PM

Well, that's a little ironic. I made that map! Funny thing is, I made another one based on the QMX version and now have it at my FF RPG page instead of the old one...

http://wydraz.110mb.com/firefly/index.html

(a.k.a. wydraz)

BRIGLAD

Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:09 PM

Wow!!! What a great resource.

I had run across your older map some time ago and I've been using it as my fanfic reference. I just downloaded your interactive version.

The ship class things you have there are cool too.

Your hornet class is almost what I imagined the Rapier class yacht would look like from my "heritage" fanfic.

I guess great minds think alike.

Brian

CITIZEN

Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
You said zseveral light years away. At the speed of light, that would mean several years. At half the speed of light, that would mean twice as much, like 5 or 6 years.
Joss said an entire generation never saw the outside of the ship during exodus to the Verse.
Lifespans have become 120 years in the upcoming 500 years, according to Joss.
So, even if only half light speed, that's about 60-70 light years away.

Not exactly if you take into account relativistic effects.

The difference between subjective and proper time at a constant 0.5c isn't that great, but it is apparent. Assuming it is roughly 120 years subjective time for the journey, that gives you a proper journey time of ~138.5 years.

More likely though you'll be accelerating half way there, and decelerating for the other half.

If you set off in your interstellar Bussard RamJet and kept up a constant acceleration of 1G, you will have travelled 200,000,000 ly in about 200,138,459 Years. However, those on the ship itself would have only experienced 36 and a quarter years.

Assuming the ship could only accelerate at 0.25gees, in roughly 120 years of onboard ship time, the ship could have travelled 20,000,000 ly.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, March 2, 2009 8:19 AM

So, regarding my post from 4 days ago, does anybody think the discrepancies about orbits, and planets not moving for several months, are intended or are mistakes in Map of the Verse?

Thanks so much for the linkies to the White Paper, and the online version of the Map. That online version seems at a glance to represent or at least mesh well with The Map of the Verse. My White Paper just printed, will have to read it.
I will add these linkies at the beginning of the thread as well.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 3, 2009 9:54 AM

The White Paper reveals much of the distance and orbit information. I'll need to go back through this thread and recalculate some things.

Apparently, although Earth travels through it's orbital path at about 6Au per year, Lux only travels at a little over 1Au per year (30.0Au orbit radius, 164 years per orbit). So Georgia might be around the similar speed, and this entire year of Verse we know only adds or subtracts an Au or 2 from planetary travel.

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