Continuity Conflict - 'The Message' vs 'Objects in Space'
POSTED BY: Schism
UPDATED: Friday, March 6, 2009 08:28
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Could be you're right about the final scene and I'm mis-remembering. I'm sure some more Browncoats will come along to confirm or deny. :)
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I'm pretty sure that Tim said the actual last day of filming was a few pick-up scenes for Heart of Gold.
I also recall mention of the fact that the scene in The Message with Mal, Zoe and Inara laughing about when Tracey cut off their commander's mustache was filmed on the same day, and immediately after, they learned of the cancellation.
It's a wonder that there are not more complaints about continuity issues due to the way FOX chose to air the episodes.
Compare this order to the one on the box set:
The Train Job
Bushwhacked
Our Mrs. Reynolds
Jaynestown
Out of Gas
Shindig
Safe
Ariel
War Stories
Objects in Space
Serenity
Trash, The Message and Heart of Gold never aired on FOX. And just imagine if they had chosen to alternate the order of Shindig and Safe, we'd have been wondering where the hell the cows came from.
As for River's psychic ability, I am sure that most of them had begun to suspect it long before Objects in Space, or The Message, whichever you think deserved to be first in the order. I can think of at least three examples that would get them considering the possibility.
Several of the characters heard her say she "followed the voices" when she came aboard the derelict ship in Bushwhacked. The way she picked up on Badger's accent and figured he was from Dyton Colony in Shindig. Surely there was some discussion of exactly why the settlers in Safe were going to burn her at the stake.
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Originally posted by Schism:
The third-last episode.
Now it wasn't until OiS that it was revealed that River was a 'reader'.
I mean, we all pretty much saw it, but it was only then that the cap'n announced it and it was accepted as true.
Before then, no one really said it.
I'm watching 'The Message'.
River said her food was problematic.
Jayne says "she's a mind reader and she can't figure out how to eat a rice ball" (or whatever the food was called).
But no one deduced by that point that she was a reader.
Did they?
You are correct that this is a continuity error. It is a result of the re-arrangment of the episode order.
Here is a thread which discusses the episode sequences:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=4&t=33969
The original order was WS, HoG, OiS, Trash, Message. Message was the last full ep filmed. HoG was not aired because Fox did not want western themes. Ois was the last ep aired, and cancellation haqd been announced. Joss waqnted to rearrange the episode sequence, so the already aired OiS had some scenes re-shot (original aired scene avaliable on DVD, but DVD episode has re-shot scenes in episode), and some of the scenes in HoG were re-shot - the very last being the "I'm leaving" scene on the cargo bay catwalk (on that set) and the final scenes for most actors was on the cathouse set of HoG, on Dec 20th.
Comments regarding the last day of shooting on 20 Dec are from Tim Minear commentary, perhaps that's the Done The Impossible DVD. Comments about the final set catwalk scene - not sure, may have been Mal on commentary on the DVD set (I do think it was the actors making that comment). The Official Companion has the script for HoG, and I'm leaving is not there, IIRC - I thnk that script is also lined over in Blue Sun Room forum under the Writer's Resource Package thread, but it has the new scene in it.
Some fans want to believe the DVD sequence is the correct sequence.
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(Admittedly, I haven't done the forensic analysis, but, at face value...)
I'm curious if we think it was really revealed that River was a reader in OiS, or was it just "revealed" to us that everyone else thought so, too? It just sounds like Mal's vocalising what everyone'd suspected, and there's agreement around the table.
And as for the ice planet comment, it's not like Jayne's all that careful about what thoughts escape through his mouth... He just said what he was thinking, basically.
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Originally posted by 06K64:
(Admittedly, I haven't done the forensic analysis, but, at face value...)
I'm curious if we think it was really revealed that River was a reader in OiS, or was it just "revealed" to us that everyone else thought so, too? It just sounds like Mal's vocalising what everyone'd suspected, and there's agreement around the table.
And as for the ice planet comment, it's not like Jayne's all that careful about what thoughts escape through his mouth... He just said what he was thinking, basically.
It was revealed to "everyone else" who hadn't paqid attention, but to the attentive audience it had been revealed all along.
In Pilot, she read Dobson's intent to kidnap her, and woke asking for Simon, to be snatched by Dobson.
In Bushwhacked, she read the survivor to know the rest aboard were ghosts and that everybody had been screaming.
In Shindig she read Badger to spoof the Dyton Colony dialogue.
In Safe she read the cattle, and then Ruby, and then The Patron, and then the arrival of BDHs.
In OMR she read Saffron was a thief.
In OoG she read Book's fears of death.
In Ariel she read Jayne's betrayal when she awoke in the hospital, and the Blue Hands arrival and pursuit.
In Trash she revealed her reading of Jayne's betrayal, and Simon had a chat with Jayne - and she can kill him with her brain. But this is after OiS.
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Originally posted by yinyang:
Or, it's just a continuity error because The Message was filmed last, then Joss re-arranged the order for the boxed set.
^^^ This is the reason.
Also, listen to Joss' commentary on OiS. He reveals that having the series end on the words, "Well, here I am" was prefect. Which is probably the ultimate reason for the re-ordering.
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JSF-
I totally agree. In fact, I think it's what I'm trying to say- that, at face value, I don't really see it as a continuity issue.
While they're all seated around the table in the galley during OiS, the language used is not language of people taken by a blinding flash of revelation, but more of people all admitting, together, that they suspect/believe/recognise the fact that River is a reader.
My point about Jayne was only that it would be in character for him to mouth off as he had in The Message about the ice planet, and just as in character for Book to recognise the situation and keep it to himself, as we can infer he has done by his reaction/answer to Mal's "Am I the only one thinking along those lines?" question in the galley.
(I guess if we have a divergence, it's that I'm approaching this from a boxed-set-as-it's-laid-out perspective, and I'm not sure I see a continuity issue, while you've done far more delving into the creative process. I see where you're coming from; am happy to defer to research!)
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This is listed along with all the other bloopers and continuity problems people have found from the series and the movie here:
http://browncoats.com/index.php?ContentID=42e6e0aad9f9b
http://browncoats.com/index.php?ContentID=433ed68443f0d
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Originally posted by 06K64:
JSF-
I totally agree. In fact, I think it's what I'm trying to say- that, at face value, I don't really see it as a continuity issue.
While they're all seated around the table in the galley during OiS, the language used is not language of people taken by a blinding flash of revelation, but more of people all admitting, together, that they suspect/believe/recognise the fact that River is a reader.
My point about Jayne was only that it would be in character for him to mouth off as he had in The Message about the ice planet, and just as in character for Book to recognise the situation and keep it to himself, as we can infer he has done by his reaction/answer to Mal's "Am I the only one thinking along those lines?" question in the galley.
(I guess if we have a divergence, it's that I'm approaching this from a boxed-set-as-it's-laid-out perspective, and I'm not sure I see a continuity issue, while you've done far more delving into the creative process. I see where you're coming from; am happy to defer to research!)
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