The unknown Book

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UPDATED: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:14
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LEEDAVIDT

Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:34 PM

ok...book may or may not have been an operative for the alliance...but i do believe he may have been a diplomat or an ambassador at one time being gracious on learning of inara (an ambassador),not knowing at the time she was a companion...but maybe book was an operative...like in serenity the operative said:

Mal: They take you down, I don't expect to grieve overmuch. Like to kill you myself, I see you again.
The Operative: You won't.( There is nothing left to see.)

maybe the operative,like book ceased being a killer and found a different path through the verse...but...it's all speculation
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BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:38 PM

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Originally posted by leedavidt:

The Operative: You won't.( There is nothing left to see.)

The implication Joss was going for in this statement was that the operative left to go fall on his sword. His statement to Dr. Mathais earlier in the film was that in older times, men would fall on their swords when they failed supremely and completely.

The broadwave of the Reaver Truth was an ultimate failure.

LEEDAVIDT

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:53 PM

i didn't see that...makes sense...thanks for the info

The Operative: Do you know what your sin is, Doctor?
Dr. Mathias: I wonder if...
The Operative: It's pride.

The Operative: Key members of Parliament. Key. The minds behind every military, diplomatic and covert operation in the galaxy, and you put them in a room with a psychic.

The Operative: You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords.
Dr. Mathias: Well, unfortunately, I forgot to bring a sword. I would put that down right now if I were you.
The Operative: Would you be killed in your sleep, like an ailing pet?

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NCBROWNCOAT

Friday, January 2, 2009 1:34 AM

I'm wondering if there's another way for the Operative to "fall on his own sword"?

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PEACEKEEPER

Friday, February 27, 2009 1:32 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
I always like the subject of Book when it come up here. Based on River's mental delving into his mind in "Objects In Space", I've always said that I think Book was an Alliance interrogator. Not a kind or gentle man, but basically a brute who did the dirty work for the Alliance, gathering information for them from captured enemies and such. Operatives were merely assassins, but the Alliance interrogators like Book were much more sophisticated and subtle. He oversaw the interrogations, possibly even violently, of enemies of the state, then at some point in his life he had a epithany, and saw the light of goodness and rightousness. How he got away from them is another story.

I have said this since day 1. Not only was book an operative, I believe he still is. As you say, in OIS, River reads him.His exact words "I dont care whether you are guilty or innocent. So where does that leave you". Go to the BDM and it mirrors the attitude of the operative.He doesnt care what the secrets are, he just knows that they have to be kept.I think Book is there at the behest of the alliance and is deep deep deep undercover. The hands of blue dont even know about him. Whether we would have seen him ultimately turn River in to the authorities or whether he would have had a real epiphany we will never know, but I am certain that he was there to track River and see what she was capable of. In the film he was obviously the good guy, but I presume all of what I have said was supposed to have been played out by this time.

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KAOSIUM

Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:22 PM

Is there a canonical reference that I missed that would suggest Book was an ex-operative? It doesn't fit at all with the Book we saw in the series and it was directly contradicted by Ron Glass who said Joss told him to say he was a "dirty cop" when asked at conventions. Where on Earth is there anything that actually suggests he might have been an operative of the Parliament at any time?

The operative had elite hand-to-hand combat training, and while Book obviously had some, he was also taken out quite quickly by both Dobson and Early, which certainly suggests he wasn't elite. The stuff he seemed to know about were all sort of things an ex-cop would know, not an operative. How to identify command tags, pursuit procedures, how to read a crime scene and conclude it was sharpshooters with sniper rifles. I don't think some realize that when he spoke to Mal on Haven, Book turned out to be wrong on every single particular and paid for his life with it. It *did* turn out to be a 'palms up military run' as the ruins of Haven and the fact eventually half the Alliance fleet was after that one tiny firefly should show. Also the Operative may have 'believed hard' but not so much he couldn't change his mind and let Mal and Co. go after patching them up.

PEACEKEEPER

Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:22 PM

I refuse to believe that Book was just a dirty cop.Surely,just being a cop doesn't give you full access to Alliance medical facilities in double quick time. He MUST have had higher clearance that that.

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MEATPUPPET42

Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:09 AM

The key is the ID card to get that treatment he was or still is high military. My guess he is a retired admiral, general or an operative but has seen too much blood so became a shepherd. This also explains his knowledge of the alliance and weapons. Also when he is over the 3 dead bodies describing how they where killed in the beginning of war stories he is at a ready position, like a navy seal would.

PEACEKEEPER

Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:29 AM

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Originally posted by meatpuppet42:
The key is the ID card to get that treatment he was or still is high military. My guess he is a retired admiral, general or an operative but has seen too much blood so became a shepherd. This also explains his knowledge of the alliance and weapons. Also when he is over the 3 dead bodies describing how they where killed in the beginning of war stories he is at a ready position, like a navy seal would.

Actually Meat,now you've said that,your theory makes more sense to me than my own.

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MEATPUPPET42

Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:56 AM

Book is not a active operative, I think he wants to forget his past and truly become a shepherd. There are many examples but the best one I like is in our Ms.Reynolds telling mal about the special hell or if he did not care he could just let mal bang her.

I love it, It's like wiping your ass with silk.

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