Pop Goes The Pelosi
POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
UPDATED: Saturday, July 19, 2025 04:45
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Quote:No! NO I won't!! I NEED my hope filter!
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
You gotta take your hope filter off.
Okay, there; it's off.
I still think Obama is better for this country (& the world)than Bush. Not that that's a monumental achievement or anything.
But until Obama fails us without correcting it, I am a fan.
"Thanks." -Hero, 2009
The laughing Chrisisall
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I still think Obama is better for this country (& the world)than Bush.
Hmm... this hotdog tastes better than the dogsh*t I picked off the street earlier
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Not that that's a monumental achievement or anything.
No kidding
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But until Obama fails us without correcting it, I am a fan.
I was, but I think the sh*t hit that fan last night for me. I'm glad the sheep are still on the hope train, I want to ride the new image of a new america, and maybe get myself some of that bailout. Say, the guys from Dubai are coming to town. Maybe I can swing a million. What do you suppose they might want, some sort of service that could be provided.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:When Bush blasted the Taliban in Afghanistan I was right there cheering.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It felt good, but I couldn't understand why those on the other side of the aisle couldn't appreciate the direction, or what was at stake, and instead sought to attack, demean, and obstruct every chance they got.
It was his re-direction to Iraq I didn't cheer for.
Gonna waste a trillion dollars? At least do it in this country.
"Thanks." -Hero, 2009
The laughing Chrisisall
I can understand your souring on Iraq after the many blunders that occurred, but why against it at the onset? Did you have intelligence available to you that Congress didn't. Certainly, it's well documented that many, many Dems including Clinton, Kennedy, Biden, Liebermann, Kerry, etc etc ALL believed Iraq had WMD's and said so publicly many times. I'll admit the Colin Powell dog & pony show at the UN was very embarassing to see, and our allies' refusals to help us was bewildering, but I did originally believe in the cause. There was no reason not to. Looting, Paul Bremer, Abu Grahib, Al Qaeda infiltration all were yet to come. One in my shoes would have never imagined those debacles possible. I trusted the Govt. to have planning & intelligence, and it failed for years, until the surge swept out most of the bad guys. Now the Stimulus Pkg. plus add'l new Dem spending giveaways.... No one knows where America will end up.
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"I did originally believe in the cause. There was no reason not to."
There were plenty of reasons not to - all available in the media, albeit usually only once and at odd times. In other words, you had to look sharply to see them.
The hasty exit from Afghanistan when just a few months before the US had been whipped into a frenzy with 'Dead or Alive !', the aluminum tubes the DOE said were useless as centrifuge tubes but which might make good missile bodies; the forged yellowcake documents; known unreliable source called 'Curveball'; the Senate report Part I (Part II never materialized); the fact that US troops were NOT equipped with proper CBW protective gear; the hasty timetable; THE FACT THAT UN INSPECTORS WERE NOT FINDING WMDS AND WERE NOT ALLOWED TO FINISH THEIR INSPECTIONS - there were many, many tracks all over the place showing that the Iraq attack was a pre-planned act of aggression that had nothing to do with WMDs.
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Quote:I just "felt" wrong, like hitting the kid in front of you for something a kid out of reach did.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I can understand your souring on Iraq after the many blunders that occurred, but why against it at the onset?
Quote:Yes. I'm outside of it. I don't have to think inside the box. I've grown up with Vietnam, the Gulf War, Iran-Contra, and I know how these guys think sometimes. Misdirection is the most common tool in the kit. If it seems wrong, it usually is.
Did you have intelligence available to you that Congress didn't.
Quote:But they never said how these weapons would be delivered. I'm no missile expert, but I know it takes more than a SCUD to get a bomb to our shores from there. And last I saw, no ICBM's were discovered by weapons inspectors. Plus the rush to go to invade...that's when I knew we were going in for dumb reasons, especially when Afghanistan was just sitting there.
Certainly, it's well documented that many, many Dems including Clinton, Kennedy, Biden, Liebermann, Kerry, etc etc ALL believed Iraq had WMD's and said so publicly many times.
Quote:LOL, the government boils down to one man, if he can't form a coherent run-on sentence, chances are the planning & intelligence will fall by the wayside as well. The so called experts are guys like you & me, differently trained is all. Very few James Bonds, Jack Ryans, or MENSA members in the bunch, as in most things.
I trusted the Govt. to have planning & intelligence
"Thanks." -Hero, 2009
The laughing Chrisisall
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Chris,
9/11 was only one in a long, LONG list of events. A list you clearly have you head in the sand over, and completely ignore.
We didn't sanction torture, we dealt w/ an enemy which has no nation, no uniform, and signs no treaty. For you to continue this facade of complete ignorance, after all that's gone on in the world over the pat 20 yrs, is nothing short of pathetic.
Bush saved us, so Obama could ruin us.
clap, clap, clap. 
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.
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AuLapdog wrote:
Government is not the solution to our problems. Government IS the problem.
Until everyone comes to understand that simple fact, we're doomed.
So why were you behind installing our own government in Iraq? Aren't you saying we just CREATED the problem there?
Seems that, as usual, even YOU can't come to understand that simple fact. You were FOR big government before you were against it, eh?
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:I just "felt" wrong, like hitting the kid in front of you for something a kid out of reach did.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I can understand your souring on Iraq after the many blunders that occurred, but why against it at the onset?Quote:Yes. I'm outside of it. I don't have to think inside the box. I've grown up with Vietnam, the Gulf War, Iran-Contra, and I know how these guys think sometimes. Misdirection is the most common tool in the kit. If it seems wrong, it usually is.
Did you have intelligence available to you that Congress didn't.Quote:But they never said how these weapons would be delivered. I'm no missile expert, but I know it takes more than a SCUD to get a bomb to our shores from there. And last I saw, no ICBM's were discovered by weapons inspectors. Plus the rush to go to invade...that's when I knew we were going in for dumb reasons, especially when Afghanistan was just sitting there.
Certainly, it's well documented that many, many Dems including Clinton, Kennedy, Biden, Liebermann, Kerry, etc etc ALL believed Iraq had WMD's and said so publicly many times.Quote:LOL, the government boils down to one man, if he can't form a coherent run-on sentence, chances are the planning & intelligence will fall by the wayside as well. The so called experts are guys like you & me, differently trained is all. Very few James Bonds, Jack Ryans, or MENSA members in the bunch, as in most things.
I trusted the Govt. to have planning & intelligence
"Thanks." -Hero, 2009
The laughing Chrisisall
Since it was well-documented that Iraq was paying families of suicide bombers in Palestine, it didn't seem THAT far of a reasonable stretch to believe that Iraq could "hand off" some WMD gas or biological toxin to terrorists groups. They wouldn't necesarily need ICBM's to deliver them. At least that's what I thought.
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Quote:We aren't. The Iraqis are installing their own Gov't, which their own people vote for.
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
AuLapdog wrote:
Government is not the solution to our problems. Government IS the problem.
Until everyone comes to understand that simple fact, we're doomed.
So why were you behind installing our own government in Iraq? Aren't you saying we just CREATED the problem there?
Quote:Meaningless and empty reply on your part. There's nothing for me to answer to, as you're simply making up shit for the sake of taking personal shots now.
Seems that, as usual, even YOU can't come to understand that simple fact. You were FOR big government before you were against it, eh?
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.
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We aren't. The Iraqis are installing their own Gov't, which their own people vote for.
"We aren't"
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that WE HAVE installed our own puppet regime in Iraq, and it's been in place since 2003. So while technically "we aren't", it's a certainty that WE WERE as little as 4 years ago - and I don't remember you having a single problem with it then, when it was your beloved Bush in charge of the BIG government.
So either government is the problem, or it's the solution. Not both.
[Edited to add: Sorry, sniper got me mid-sentence. I got interrupted and distracted, and posted a sentence fragment.]
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Meaningless and empty reply on your part. There's nothing for me to answer to, as you're simply making up shit for the sake of taking personal shots now.
Meaningless drivel on your part, which is nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing for me to respond to, just you making up more of your bullshit RapFacts™.
Mike
"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."
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