Map of the Verse discussion

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:47 AM

Itinerary for Jaynestown.

From OMR, we know that Serenity was not scheduled to depart Beaumonde until 7 November. Also, it took 5-6 days travel to get from Red Sun to Kalidasa.
Now, returning from Beaumonde to Higgin's Moon (perhaps with other stops in between), it must take at least another 5-6 days after 7 November, so Jaynestown must take place at least after 13 November.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:55 AM

Itinerary for Out of Gas.

The schedule is to get to Greenleaf in about a week, instead of a route which would normally take only 18 hours, according to Wash.

Greenleaf in the Red Sun system gives an 18 hour travel range out to the 2 protostars of the Red Sun, and the worlds around them. Persephone and Pelorum (and their moons) around Lux in the Core are at the far reaches of this range, on the verge of possible.

Higgin's Moon is not in this range, but Mal needed to get the Jaynestown merchandise to Bernoulli by the end of that week, so maybe Bernoulli was in on of these worlds of the Red Sun system, or around Lux.

So it is most likely that Out of Gas occured in the Red Sun system.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:56 AM

I do not see other obvious time, distance, travel implications in the series, comics, or BDM.
Anybody else?

RIPWASH

Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:39 PM

Well like I said, I meant no disrespect or intended to irk anyone.

I'll shut up!

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 20, 2009 6:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
Well like I said, I meant no disrespect or intended to irk anyone.

I'll shut up!

I did not infer disrespect. I just didn't understand where you were seeing a problem. No need to shut up, I don't see anybody irked.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 20, 2009 6:34 AM

Implications about smuggling prize-winning cattle.

Serenity departs Persephone with their cargo in Shindig.
They arrive at Jiangyin to deliver the cargo, and Mal states the cargo has been aboard about 3 weeks.

The max distance Persephone gets away from White Sun is about 33.6Au.
The max distance Jiangyin gets away from White Sun is about 69.8Au.
The farthest apart Persephone gets from Jiangyin, when Lux is closest to Georgia System, is about 103.4Au. Even assuming they need to circumnavigate the Suns and such, it's still not more than 110Au at any time in the orbital cycles.

This 110Au means about 38-48 hours at Serenity's max accel/decel.
Reasonable to assume fragile cargo doesn't respond well to max accel/decel, I suppose. Half of the max that Serenity is capable of, that's still only stretching out travel to about 8 days. Running at a quarter of the max accel/decel rate, that makes travel time about 24-32 days. Thast's about the range indicated in the show.

So, should we assume precious cargo like prize-winning cattle require more subtle acceleration rates? Or is The Map of the Verse mistaken regarding the locations of Persephone and/or Jiangyin?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 20, 2009 6:47 AM

Here I will attempt a graphic linear display of the orbital distances from White Sun. Each position is about 2Au.

xxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxXxxxxX

WxxxbsgoQbaxxxLxxxxxxspHHMxxxxxxxGxxxxxxxMHHpsxxxxxxsbgbPxxxKxxPbgbsxxxxxxxmxbxxxxddxxfxxBxxfxxddxxxbxm

W=White Sun, G=Georgia/Red Sun, K=Kalidasa, B=Blue Sun. Other capital letters are protostars, some worlds are shown as lower case letters, and Xs are spacers.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 20, 2009 10:21 AM

So most of the Map of the Verse meshes with the times, distances, travels of BDS and BDM.

The apparent exceptions are:
Location of Beaumonde in relation to Lilac and Haven in BDM. Seems too far away.
There is no ringed world, as shown in the background while Serenity leaves atmo of the moon with the U-Day bar in The Train Job, near enough to Ezra. Also, this episode is expected to quickly follow Pilot Serenity, which ends on Whitefall or perhaps Boros. Ezra, Whitefall, and Boros are all near enough in the Georgia System, but the nearest ringed world is in Kalidasa. (Some rumor has it the ringed world is called Wibble. ;/)
Travel time from Persephone in Shindig to Jiangyin in Safe is reportedly 3 weeks, but these 2 locations aren't that far apart from each other.

Any comments?

RIPWASH

Friday, February 20, 2009 11:28 AM

Taking all you said into account, I would say it was a combination of the cattle needing to travel at less than half maximum speed. Like Mal said, it was a pretty cramped space for a herd of cattle and they spook pretty easily. Not knowing how long the fuel cells last on a Firefly class ship, perhaps they also had to make a few stops along the way not only for fuel but also to accomodate Inara's schedule of appointments. I don't think she would allow Mal to keep her from doing business for three weeks.

I know, I know . . . after kicking up the dust earlier, here I am joining in the actual discussion. I just don't have any other knowledge of the 'Verse other than the show and movie (no map, no companion guide or comics). Just a newbie trying to contribute.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, February 23, 2009 5:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
Taking all you said into account, I would say it was a combination of the cattle needing to travel at less than half maximum speed. Like Mal said, it was a pretty cramped space for a herd of cattle and they spook pretty easily. Not knowing how long the fuel cells last on a Firefly class ship, perhaps they also had to make a few stops along the way not only for fuel but also to accomodate Inara's schedule of appointments. I don't think she would allow Mal to keep her from doing business for three weeks.

I know, I know . . . after kicking up the dust earlier, here I am joining in the actual discussion. I just don't have any other knowledge of the 'Verse other than the show and movie (no map, no companion guide or comics). Just a newbie trying to contribute.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

You've suspended disbelief?

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