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KWICKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:38 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
it wasn't a waste of $$ or lives, Quite the contrary, it's what our founding fathers had imagined us doing from the very start.

But never mind that. Think more about how we'll ever get out of Obama's Enorumulus tax / spend bill instead.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

Can you show me where the Founding Fathers ever advocated invading sovereign nations for no good reason at all?

Or, as Geezer would say (but would never say to any right-wingers): Cites, please?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:49 AM

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Can you show me the part where Clinton launched an invasion of Iraq, since you claim it wasn't W's idea?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

That's not the issue here. Clinton launched missiles when he felt it was politically expedient, but the POINT was whether Saddam was viewed as a real problem or not. Clearly, Clinton and his administration did, as they supported regime change in Iraq. Also, because Clinton's way of doing things failed to yield any positive results, W had that many fewer options to work with.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:55 AM

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Also, because Clinton's way of doing things failed to yield any positive results, W had that many fewer options to work with.

I could also point out at this juncture a couple of things:

1. Because Bush's way of doing things in Afghanistan and along the Pakistani border failed to yield any positive results, Obama has that many fewer options to work with.

And back to the money question,

2. Because Bush's way of doing things when it came to the economy failed to yield any positive results, and indeed yielded enormously negative results, Obama now has that many fewer options to work with.

See? Look at all the fun you can have with words!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:36 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Also, because Clinton's way of doing things failed to yield any positive results, W had that many fewer options to work with.

I could also point out at this juncture a couple of things:

1. Because Bush's way of doing things in Afghanistan and along the Pakistani border failed to yield any positive results, Obama has that many fewer options to work with.

And back to the money question,

2. Because Bush's way of doing things when it came to the economy failed to yield any positive results, and indeed yielded enormously negative results, Obama now has that many fewer options to work with.

See? Look at all the fun you can have with words!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

Only the problem is, you can't cite for us where Bush's policies " failed " the economy. The stock market tanked in the last 6 months of his last term in office, far too little time for him to do anything about it.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
it wasn't a waste of $$ or lives, Quite the contrary, it's what our founding fathers had imagined us doing from the very start.

As undoubtably true as this is, it's hard to see how the founding fathers intended waging war with countries to bring 'freedom' to the world, when they didn't want a federal armed force.

Perhaps they had been reading up on their Charlemagne
"Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
But never mind that. Think more about how we'll ever get out of Obama's Enorumulus tax / spend bill instead.

It's rather more grown up than "borrow borrow borrow spend spend spend debt debt debt"...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:27 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Also, because Clinton's way of doing things failed to yield any positive results, W had that many fewer options to work with.

I could also point out at this juncture a couple of things:

1. Because Bush's way of doing things in Afghanistan and along the Pakistani border failed to yield any positive results, Obama has that many fewer options to work with.

And back to the money question,

2. Because Bush's way of doing things when it came to the economy failed to yield any positive results, and indeed yielded enormously negative results, Obama now has that many fewer options to work with.

See? Look at all the fun you can have with words!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

Only the problem is, you can't cite for us where Bush's policies " failed " the economy. The stock market tanked in the last 6 months of his last term in office, far too little time for him to do anything about it.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

And you can't cite where Obama's policies have "failed" the economy, either. He hasn't been in office a month, yet you're already laying the failures of the last eight years at his feet!

Just for the record, can you PLEASE give us your definition of what Bush's actual effective term was? You've stated often and repeatedly that 9/11 had nothing to do with him, because he'd only been in office less than a year. Now you say the economic collapse that was a direct result of almost 8 years of Bush's economic policies had nothing do do with him because he was on his way out the door. So WHEN was he actually in there having an effect on things? What was there that Bush ever did that had ANYTHING to do with him?

And are you willing to cut Clinton and Obama the exact same amount of slack?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

CITIZEN

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:22 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just for the record, can you PLEASE give us your definition of what Bush's actual effective term was? You've stated often and repeatedly that 9/11 had nothing to do with him, because he'd only been in office less than a year. Now you say the economic collapse that was a direct result of almost 8 years of Bush's economic policies had nothing do do with him because he was on his way out the door. So WHEN was he actually in there having an effect on things? What was there that Bush ever did that had ANYTHING to do with him?

You noticed that as well eh? It's not Bush's fault because it happened to late for him to react too. Ignore the fact he was in power 8 years beforehand enacting economic policy.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:33 PM

Bush's tax cuts spurred on the economy and rallied us out of the recession in place he inherited. Problem was, the tax cuts were too small, and came with too much excessive spending, such as Farm Aid, Pharma Aid, and Iraq Aid. To date, what Obama is attempting to do is a poor idea, as it's been tried by other countries before, notably Japan, and with dismal results.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:34 PM

For well over 2 years, Bush's economy yielded lower than 5% unemployment while the Dow reached a record 14,000.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:43 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
For well over 2 years, Bush's economy yielded lower than 5% unemployment while the Dow reached a record 14,000.

And then the bubble his economic policies created, imploded.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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