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BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by Haken:
The thing everyone should be aware of about tonight's episode is that it was re-tooled at FOX's request. If the episode seems serious and disjointed, it's because of that reason.

In interviews, etc., Joss and cast have made it known that the 1st episode isn't what they originally had in mind. Episodes 2 thru 5 are standalone episodes and from episodes 7 on, we'll start seeing a bigger story arc.

Wow. "Retooled" pilot episode forced on Joss and cast by Fox execs. That sounds so familiar......

I did watch and while I wasn't blown away, I did enjoy the show and will be tuned in this coming Friday.

Seems the ratings were less than what Fox hoped for, but TSCC was the lead in and being in the "Timeslot of Death" it did not do well at all either.

Let's hope Fox doesn't hold true to form and cancel it after only three to eight episodes.

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WASHNWEAR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:24 PM

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I also thought the cut-ins with Eliza and Summer were horrible. As if some exec said "Pimply face geek-boys are the target! All we need to do is put the hotties on and they'll come drooling!" Perhaps allowing the writers to focus on plot and story-telling might help with the ratings for both shows? Oh, and less yapping about 3 dots from Sarah Connor.

Amen! They must've been after that coveted "11-16 male/bi-curious" demographic. That kind of idiocy always gets on my nerves, and under the circumstances it was worse than usual (though through stategic bathroom-going and fast-forwarding I was able to avoid all but 2 of the breaks). Ms. Dushku seemed easy enough with the whole thing, but Summer looked to me like she was wanting to open up a can of I-can-kill-you-with-my-brain on somebody.

It was like that when we got here!

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:03 PM

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Originally posted by pachelbel:
I assume will get some of Ecco's real personality seeping through eventually.

If I'm remembering right, we saw the 'real' girl in the opening. It was kind of an intriguing scene, and definitely could have gone longer. She seemed to be wanting to get away from something, or she'd done something and was pushed into the program as a kind of punishment. She said something about not having a choice. I'd like to have known a little more of that girl's story; the scene felt kind of truncated to me.

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THEGHOSTOFCHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:15 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
the scene felt kind of truncated to me.

I thought they showed just enough to give us an idea, but left more for us to wonder about.
I liked it.

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STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:54 PM

Finally watched it last night.

I was.... underwhelmed. Didn't dislike it by any means, but it didn't really grab me, either.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:13 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

I was.... underwhelmed.

I can grok that. Were it not that I see great potential, I might have written it off on the spot.
(and it's Joss

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"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

SMAUG

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:29 PM

Ok.. a lot of people seem to be on the same bandwagon as "Meh".. or "Underwelmed" by this piolet episode. But I think that we are all on Joss's bandwagon enough to give the show a chance and keep watching to see where it goes.

So instead of keep going on what we all didn't like about the piolet.. or what didn't grab us. Let's take a second to talk about the things we did like:

I for one:

1) Acutally liked that fact that Echo was something, I hate to call 'mundane', as a hostage negotiater. This is only in comparison to what the cliche or expectation would have been of her being some kind of assasin, mercinary, soldier, etc. Joss is the master of taking a cliche and turning it on it's head. So I loved that he went out the gate with her being something that no-one would expect. Her being nearsighted and having ashma was TOTALLY unexpected and was the icing on the cake.

2) I really like the cast. I can't say there was anyone in there so far that I was disappointed in. Things could change on any given character for me of course.. but the only one I was a little disappointed in was the geeky computer scientist guy. That was just it... he wasn't geeky enough (at least so far), I thought he was too "hip" geeky. Not that I want him to be I-live-in-my-parents-basement geeky.. but maybe just a little more shy/awkward than what he is. That could lend to some great storylines.. of what does a nerdy/shy/geeky guy do afterhours with a "dollhouse" full of incredibly hot women?!?!?! Would he ever even leave work and go home?

I think Alan would have been good for this part. Also.. I'm not quite sure about the lady who runs the dollhouse (or appears to run it). She was OK.. I would LOVED to have seen Moreana in this roll.

3) Eliza.. she is going to have to pull of an ENORMOUS range in acting this part. So far from the first episode.. I think she's going to be able to do it. And all the while being a very attractive woman.. but who isn't shown as "over the top" gorgeous. It looks to me that Eliza is going to play the part very effectivly. Kristen Bell is the first name that pops to my mind that I think also could have fit in this roll. Kristen could make an excellent addition as another active.

4) Helo!!! Can't recall the actor's name off the top of my head.. but great to see him in a Joss show! And I had NO clue what was going on when he was being drilled by his bosses, and they keep flashing to a scene of him boxing. I keep thinking.. WTF does him boxing have to do with anything? Yet when they ask him "So are you going to back down?" and they flash to him laying on the mat after being pummeled by the other guy, yet he gets back up and beats the crap out of him, cut back to being drilled by his bosses, and he looks to them as he lies "Yes, I will back down". It all made perfect sense. That was, in my opinion, the best scene of the whole episode. Well.. right behind the half second shot of Eliza's memory being wiped and she's naked in bed with the guy and she pulls out some rope! That would be number 1!

ZEEK

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:09 PM

Things I liked about the episode...hmmmm

Eliza dancing in the little white dress.

I actually did like the nerd who did the conditioning or whatever you want to call it. He seemed like Wash to me.

Echo's handler seemed like a character with some potential.

The head of the Dollhouse seemed like she has potential as well.

Beyond that not much else jumped out at me as good.

WASHNWEAR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
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Originally posted by pachelbel:
I assume will get some of Ecco's real personality seeping through eventually.

If I'm remembering right, we saw the 'real' girl in the opening. It was kind of an intriguing scene, and definitely could have gone longer. She seemed to be wanting to get away from something, or she'd done something and was pushed into the program as a kind of punishment. She said something about not having a choice. I'd like to have known a little more of that girl's story; the scene felt kind of truncated to me.

I'm assuming that the "'real' girl" is something we'll se more of as the story unfolds. Even so, I know what you mean - the scene did feel shorter than it wanted to be. At the time I semi-unconsciously attributed it to whatever retooling Joss had to do to satisfy Fox's savage, heathen urges...

It was like that when we got here!

PACHELBEL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:
Originally posted by pachelbel:
I assume will get some of Ecco's real personality seeping through eventually.

If I'm remembering right, we saw the 'real' girl in the opening. It was kind of an intriguing scene, and definitely could have gone longer. She seemed to be wanting to get away from something, or she'd done something and was pushed into the program as a kind of punishment. She said something about not having a choice. I'd like to have known a little more of that girl's story; the scene felt kind of truncated to me.

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I actually missed the very beginning ... stupid kids! And last night my VCR ate the tape I recorded the episode on. I guess I'll have to try to catch it on Hulu. It sounds like it was a rather important part.

Did anyone understand what was happening at the very end, when the tape of Ecco at college was playing? Are we supposed to yet?

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