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CHRISISALL

Monday, February 16, 2009 4:28 PM

Look guys, it can still be a hit. Obama got in, right? Anything is possible.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

BYTEMITE

Monday, February 16, 2009 6:24 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Ouch, second lowest rated series premiere of the year, just ahead of Crusoe.

Ouch.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

yeah, but Crusoe was just garbage. >_< It seriously engaged my gag reflex, the writing is so bad. It only got worse after the first episode, and why I watched the first episode let alone more than one I have no idea, guess there was nothing on. But I think Dollhouse has the opportunity to get better and I think the audience will be able to feel that.

Besides, compare this show to the bland crime investigation stuff that gets a lot of viewers, the stuff people watch on the networks and think have good stories because they don't know any better. This first episode definitely wasn't any worse than those.

DUG

Monday, February 16, 2009 7:45 PM

The following sounds like an echo (heh, punny!):
It might have done better if it were promoted. Fox in Atlanta did a little bit to talk about it, but I never saw diddly for promotion on the Carolina affiliate. I was amused that the prize on the Atlanta affiliate was a Firefly blu-ray.

I also thought the cut-ins with Eliza and Summer were horrible. As if some exec said "Pimply face geek-boys are the target! All we need to do is put the hotties on and they'll come drooling!" Perhaps allowing the writers to focus on plot and story-telling might help with the ratings for both shows? Oh, and less yapping about 3 dots from Sarah Connor.

JONGSSTRAW

Monday, February 16, 2009 8:39 PM

Even after Fox Network nixed the Serenity Pilot, we got Train Job as a replacement pilot. Dollhouse didn't have ANYTHING even remotely as good in it. No memorable scenes or lines, just nothing. Train Job was Gone With The Wind compared to Dollhouse premier. Joss and company have a lot of work to do to make this thing fly.

OPPYH

Monday, February 16, 2009 9:57 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I agree, Joss would do very well on HBO or Showtime, I mean just in general. Not that he seems overly fond of being explicit, he actually likes to keep some mystery and intrigue going, but not having to work with restrictions would be good. Also, those cable networks are less obsessed with mega ratings than the major networks are. They have smaller audience levels, but since the smaller audiences all have to pay to have the channel, they seem to have decent budgets. So I'm very much in agreement that he should do something for a channel like that, it could really be great. FOX.

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Yes.
You are so very right.

Dexter, or The Entourage would have been DOA on a mainstream network.
If it's canceled, let's hope Joss can bring it over to the "premium" channels

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, February 16, 2009 11:54 PM

LOL..............you so like to stir the pot (place a Big Grin here)

TheLaughingOutLoudSGGisall

Tawabawho?

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:20 AM

Hey Pizmo,

I'm gonna go with No. 2 on this one.
What I don't understand is how Joss has been given absolutely no respect by Fox (and maybe some others) when all he has had are hits (Buffy and Angel) that people love.

His strength is writing for television, that's be proven, so I could imagine how it would be for someone trying to break into the business. But I also tend to agree with Phoenixrose about putting his shows on cable. With the following he has he would do well and he would have certain freedoms that, right now, are hindrances on broadcast television.

If he were to go "rogue" and work with Apple and others to submit his material directly to us, his fan base, and to the general internet population, I think he would do as well there, thereby eliminating his need to get the financial support from those who would dilute his genius.

Oh man, imagine, getting Firefly in pure Joss form. Oooooh, my mind just drooled. Sorry, where was I? Oh yeah, cable would be good. Universal are you listening? I have a question. Did anyone notice that DeWitt said that Echo signed up for five years? My guess is that Joss is lowering his sights a bit and hoping that Fox will allow this journey to be completed. We will see.

Of course, true fans will go 'til the end.

SGG

Tawabawho?

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
Hey Pizmo,

I'm gonna go with No. 2 on this one.
What I don't understand is how Joss has been given absolutely no respect by Fox (and maybe some others) when all he has had are hits (Buffy and Angel) that people love.

Hey SGG - Me too on #2, and sadly because it will prbably be all that's left to him other than print.
While we the fans can sit enraptured by his monologues I doubt studio execs get the same buzz. Simple personality/ego clashes - even though JW has produced succe$$ful tv programing - may have a lot to do with his troubles with mainstream media. He needs to be in control and they need to be in control - only room for one of those in the room at a time.

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PACHELBEL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Even after Fox Network nixed the Serenity Pilot, we got Train Job as a replacement pilot. Dollhouse didn't have ANYTHING even remotely as good in it. No memorable scenes or lines, just nothing. Train Job was Gone With The Wind compared to Dollhouse premier. Joss and company have a lot of work to do to make this thing fly.

I feel the same way; I thought the Train Job was very solid. Much like Angel, Firefly had its legs from the get go.

I know I'll probably take some flak for this, but, I just re-watched the pilot of Drive this weekend, and it was way better than the Dollhouse premier. Maybe it was the Nathan factor, but Drive was funnier, more intense, and more exciting to me.

I guess it ultimately comes down to characters you can like, the good ones and the bad ones. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to like a character who, by design, has no personality, at least not one that lasts longer than 1 hour. I assume will get some of Ecco's real personality seeping through eventually. That is, if it's on the air long enough!

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by pachelbel:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Even after Fox Network nixed the Serenity Pilot, we got Train Job as a replacement pilot. Dollhouse didn't have ANYTHING even remotely as good in it. No memorable scenes or lines, just nothing. Train Job was Gone With The Wind compared to Dollhouse premier. Joss and company have a lot of work to do to make this thing fly.

I feel the same way; I thought the Train Job was very solid. Much like Angel, Firefly had its legs from the get go.

I know I'll probably take some flak for this, but, I just re-watched the pilot of Drive this weekend, and it was way better than the Dollhouse premier. Maybe it was the Nathan factor, but Drive was funnier, more intense, and more exciting to me.

I guess it ultimately comes down to characters you can like, the good ones and the bad ones. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to like a character who, by design, has no personality, at least not one that lasts longer than 1 hour. I assume will get some of Ecco's real personality seeping through eventually. That is, if it's on the air long enough!

I liked Drive very much. I was disappointed when it got axed. I have a hard time watching our BDH's in anything not Firefly. Summer on TSSC is great because she is very much like River, and she is growing as an actress and person, but Nathan always seems out of place to me when he's not Captain Mal. I'm going to hang in there with Dollhouse because it is Joss Whedon here, and its' success could help get Joss more power and influence for perhaps more Firefly someday.

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