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USA was 3 hrs away from Economic, Political Collapse... last Sept.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 8:41 PM

No....

Not really.

Economy only scares me when someone tells me I have to give what I earn to someone else who isnt working.

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RUE
Friday, February 13, 2009 8:45 PM

"Economy only scares me when someone tells me I have to give what I earn to someone else who isnt working."

Then you are afraid of the person who owns your workplace, since they are taking a chunk of what YOU make and putting it in THEIR pockets - without working for it - it's called profit.

Oh, but they're rich and not poor - so that makes it all right.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:36 AM

heh heh heh.

Good point, Rue.

It's amazing how peeps will rebel over something in one context and defend it to the death in another.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
It's amazing how peeps will rebel over something in one context and defend it to the death in another.


Well said Peep.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:06 AM

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It's amazing how peeps will rebel over something in one context and defend it to the death in another.-Signy


Well said Peep.- Nobody

Well, if my objection was SIMPLY about handing money to somebody who didn't work for it then you'd be right. But it's not, so you're wrong. I know logic is difficult for you, so I won't bother to explain (again) how I see the problem. Scroll up, read slowly. Read aloud, if you need to. I'm sure you'll "get it" some day!

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:40 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
"What IS the purpose of an economy, anyway, if it isn't to take care of people ?"

Pretty scary question, isn't it ?



It's a pretty interesting question actually. The very notion that the economy has a 'purpose' is loaded with a lot of assumptions that illustrate some key differences in the way we look at it.

The economy is just a bunch of people trying to make a living for themselves, trying to get the things they want out of life. The economy has as many purposes as there are people. What we can ask about are the purposes of the laws that govern the economy. That makes some sense.

So, what are the purposes of the laws we make regarding the economy?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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RUE
Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:59 AM

'Economy' is the way groups of people transfer resources among themselves, including work and goods. There are as many different types of economies as there are groups of people. In so far as these groups of people are sustaining themselves, any economy is as natural and in tune with 'human nature' as any other. Considering that economies are a choice, then, it might be good to consider why we would make some choices and not others.

kpo seems to think that the 'purpose' of people is to sustain an economy - and not just any type of economy, but the capitalistic type specifically. And therefore we should choose to sacrifice the well being of the vast majority of people and have the development of great wealth in a very few, b/c if we don't capitalism fails and some great catastrophe will befall the universe.

I think the opposite, that the purpose of an economy is to sustain people. And therefore we should make choices to structure our societies to benefit the vast majority most efficiently.


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Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:12 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
I think the opposite, that the purpose of an economy is to sustain people.



I agree that laws regarding the economy are, or at least should be, about the rights and well-being of people. But I still think it's misleading to think of the economy as something that has a purpose. That kind of thinking can backfire on you.

It's dangerous because it leads to the notion that if he economy isn't fulfilling it's "purpose", something should be done. And that leads to governments attempting to tune and manage the economy for maximum performance. It tempts them to consider laws not in terms of how they affect justice, but how they affect the growth of the economy. Arguably, that's how we got where we're at - whether you think it's from foolhardy deregulation or misguided attempts and economic manipulation.

SergeantX

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:27 AM

Interesting discussion.

Needs thought. Thanks Rue and Sarge.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:15 AM

NOW we're gettin to the meat of the matter, by all means go on, please...

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