Imponderables: Medicinal Sleep

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:39 PM

Sleep is nice, but I have gotten to feel like I'm missing stuff by sleeping too much.

Previous Thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=36680&m=675893#675893

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

KELKHIL

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:40 PM

(run-by Firsties)

Zombie Killing, Ninja in Training Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

ZEEK

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:43 PM

Man you pounced on firsties like a spider springing from a dark corner. :-P

KELKHIL

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Man you pounced on firsties like a spider springing from a dark corner. :-P

It's the 8 eyes! Help me see!

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

(Flees!!!)

Zombie Killing, Ninja in Training Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

ZEEK

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:01 PM

Seriously if I ever saw something like that in my house I think I would pick up my cat, drop a lit match and walk out.

ZEROKIRYU

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
if that utube is about spiders i aint watchin it

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Navy- ok so you're blaming us for your lack of sleep?? HUGS ok we'll just make you go to bed!!

Tried, it don't work.

MSA

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:26 PM

That's it we need skype tranquilizers... you know some sort of subaudible knock out :)

Ewwwwww on the spider

OK I have got to get sleep tonight...which means I have to work out when I get home

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:48 PM

*Zeek pissed*

My intertubes aren't working at home! I had junk to do last night so I went out and hoped they'd heal while I was gone. Unfortunately they did not. I called the support number at like 11:30pm and they left me on hold for over half an hour. Their support was as helpful as a space heater in hell. They wanted to schedule a repair man on Saturday. I complained until he agreed to put me on the "emergency repair" list which mean "maybe" I could get someone out today. So, there went a good 45minutes - 1hour of sleep and still no intertubes. My bet is some moron shut off my service when he was supposed to be shutting off someone else's. I'm basing that on the cable modem not getting any flashing on the "cable" light. Bah!

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:54 PM

We get sporatic outages too (though not yet with the new service).

V-D Day Saturday, anyone planning anything?

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

NAVYSEILS

Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:44 PM

I might be going to play some laserquest and bowling on Saturday. Should be alright.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 PM

I'd hella go with you Navy.

Will you be My Valentine?

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

MSA

Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:28 PM

Now all you need is the plane ticket...giggle

Laser tag and bowling.. ooh will there be pizza???

HUGS Zeek good luck on your interweb

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:28 PM

I'm planning to storm the time warner offices on Saturday if I don't have interwebs by then. I'll go out in a blaze of glory I tells ya.

NAVYSEILS

Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:08 PM

Sure NVG, swim on over and come along. I dont have much faith in the hand eye coordination of the other people playing, I'll need someone around that can shoot straight.

MSA

Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:51 PM

Hey between you and NV you can sweep teh whole lot of them:)

OK Zeek I shall be watching the papers avidly awaiting the news report of crazy man storming time warner:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
OK Zeek I shall be watching the papers avidly awaiting the news report of crazy man storming time warner:)

I live in crazy Austin though. That's just like a blip on the radar down here. We have crazy people strangling their girlfriends with wii controller cords for waking them up. Even that didn't get much national attention I don't think.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:13 PM

< popping in to say hi >

Hi!

< /popping in to say hi >

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MSA

Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:22 PM

Actually no it didn't Zeek, but I'd bet you didn't hear about our nutjob who held himself hostage on teh freeway. ( they had to close one whole freeway for hours and hours)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Actually no it didn't Zeek, but I'd bet you didn't hear about our nutjob who held himself hostage on teh freeway. ( they had to close one whole freeway for hours and hours)

Oh that NVG. What will he think of next? :-P

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ZeroKiryu:

OH MY GOD I LOVE YOU!!! XD

What is *that* thing?
What thing?
There's something on your head.
What, is it a spider? Get it off!
No, it's not a spider, it's like a blue thing.
What, like a blue spider? Get it off!!

poor Donut XD

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:41 PM

Well, I was bored.

Really though, dude was drunk and held himself hostage on the freeway interchange and shut it down for ten hours or so. Negs, failed, the hostage got killed.

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

MSA

Friday, February 13, 2009 1:43 AM

If you're going to go nuts...could you at least do it at home where you aren't inconveniencing everyone else?

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Friday, February 13, 2009 2:59 PM

Well the time warner raid is off. They got my webbies all fixed up. The technical jargon was "the 8 way switch was worn out and stopped working". Now I know they can see info about my cable modem when it's up and running. So, shouldn't they put up a red flag when even say every modem attached to an 8 way switch drop offline and never come back for hours and hours? I'd think they'd just say "hey we have a problem here" and send someone out without a phone call. Bah!

Anyway happy Dollhouse day everybody. I'm still not very enthused about it and I refuse to be a downer in the "who's excited" thread. I'm extremely reserved about it. Though I do like that in a few hours Joss will finally return to television.

MSA

Friday, February 13, 2009 3:10 PM

HUGS Zeek glad you have the interweb:)

I'm afraid to get excited. I got all excited about this show called Firefly and they jerked it around and dropped it. Then I sort of recovered and got all excited about a show called Drive...and they dropped it in seconds.... so I'm just not trusting them

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Friday, February 13, 2009 3:12 PM

Luckily I never fell for Drive. Just didn't do it for me. It actually took me a while to really fall for Firefly. The promos seemed weird but I figured it's Joss so I have to watch. I watched and when he kicked crow through the engine I was like "ok I'll keep watching". I think by Our Mrs. Reynolds I was hooked.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, February 13, 2009 4:23 PM

Good morning Ponderers.

Our internetty-deal was wonked early this morning. I figured that is what I deserved for speaking too soon. It was up at seven this morning. I figured it was weekly maintenance time. MSA was like "Who's gonna notice except nine geeks and they guy who gets up at odd hours?"

Lovingly I verbally flipped her off.

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, February 13, 2009 6:11 PM

CHARLIE SHEEN ROASTED FOUR KUMQUATS.

ZEEK

Friday, February 13, 2009 6:17 PM

FLT drink lots of water and go lie down.

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, February 13, 2009 7:35 PM

PIKACHU rode with LORD FARQUAD, on the back of a humpback whale, to the island of GUAM!!

ZEEK

Friday, February 13, 2009 7:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
PIKACHU rode with LORD FARQUAD, on the back of a humpback whale, to the island of GUAM!!

Drink more water. Call poison control. Try to concentrate long enough to tell them what you took.

SOLARFLARE

Friday, February 13, 2009 8:44 PM

Okay, I don't post here much, but I need to rant, or ponder, if you will:

My 15-year old son will not do his homework. Seriously, it's gotten very frustrating. He's a great kid. Is very respectful (within normal reason). Stays out of trouble. But sometimes he stops doing homework, or even in-class work, for weeks at a time. Right now, the interim report he got was 3Fs, 3Ds, and a C-minus.

He's very smart - always scores in the 90+ percentile on all of the testing. But he just stops working sometimes. I've tried grounding. I've tried to micromanage his homework (checking everything every day), but any time I take my eyes off of it, he just, at random, quits. We even homeschooled him (online) for his freshman year. And that seemed to end it (because it's very obvious when you don't hand in your assignments). But he hated home school. I've told him that we'll go back to home school if he doesn't improve the grades. But he'll hate it. And I'll hate it for him.

Okay, thanks for letting me rant. If anyone has a magic wand they know of for fixing this problem, I'd love to hear it.

ZEEK

Friday, February 13, 2009 9:07 PM

Send MsA after him. I hear she body slams kids who misbehave. That's old school teacherin'

MSA

Friday, February 13, 2009 10:26 PM

Magic wand...here you go.
OK first I'd have you son evaluated for ADD ( not ADHD) and dyslexia. His behavior sounds exactly what my parents went through, I had an A on every test and turned nothing in. I was very smart but produced no work and it drove them nuts and they had to do the same thing watch me every min. Turned otu I had ADD and once I was diagnosed and on meds and learned some coping skills things got loads better.
Second. Behavior contract with him. It's time for let's make a deal. http://www.parentcontracts.com/
Third- remember it is easier to ground his stuff instead of him. Take cell phone, ipod, computer, game system, etc and lock it in a closet. He earns back one component per day for having all assignments completed. Fourth - Have a daily tracking sheet or planner that he has to get signed by each teacher. If he does not bring it home... he loses television time, friend time, etc. It's going to require you to manage him. Part of the contract deal can be that he earns his way off the daily tracking sheet, but the minute his grades drop he's back on it. If you need more specifics or help, email me at oncemorewithfeeling321@yahoo.com
Oh and in case you're wondering what my qualifications are I have 9 years teaching experience and now serve as a behavior consultant dealing with difficult kids( or kids like your son) for a school district. Hang in there

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Friday, February 13, 2009 10:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Oh and in case you're wondering what my qualifications are I have 9 years teaching experience and now serve as a behavior consultant dealing with difficult kids( or kids like your son) for a school district.

Plus mad body slammin skillz!

MSA

Friday, February 13, 2009 10:43 PM

LOL HUGS Zeek

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
PIKACHU rode with LORD FARQUAD, on the back of a humpback whale, to the island of GUAM!!

Drink more water. Call poison control. Try to concentrate long enough to tell them what you took.

Heeeey, those werewolves strike randomly throughout the cereal. EN GUARD! WHERE IS OUR SHIP??

FREELANCERTEX

Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by solarflare:
Okay, I don't post here much, but I need to rant, or ponder, if you will:

My 15-year old son will not do his homework. Seriously, it's gotten very frustrating. He's a great kid. Is very respectful (within normal reason). Stays out of trouble. But sometimes he stops doing homework, or even in-class work, for weeks at a time. Right now, the interim report he got was 3Fs, 3Ds, and a C-minus.

He's very smart - always scores in the 90+ percentile on all of the testing. But he just stops working sometimes. I've tried grounding. I've tried to micromanage his homework (checking everything every day), but any time I take my eyes off of it, he just, at random, quits. We even homeschooled him (online) for his freshman year. And that seemed to end it (because it's very obvious when you don't hand in your assignments). But he hated home school. I've told him that we'll go back to home school if he doesn't improve the grades. But he'll hate it. And I'll hate it for him.

Okay, thanks for letting me rant. If anyone has a magic wand they know of for fixing this problem, I'd love to hear it.

I second MsA's response, because I'm pretty sure she knows the most about schoolin' on this forum. ^_^ hope u figure it out

DANCINGNEKO

Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:35 AM

To add to MsA's suggestion:
I'd also suggest talking to your son's counselor for additional support. They'll probably do something similar for your son (behavioral contract, work monitoring -- a.k.a. "dog tag", alerting the teachers about the situtation, and behavioral contract) plus they should be able to offer a few other options that MsA hasn't mentioned. (Counseling for your son and what the teachers notice about your son for instance.) It's also a way to start the ball rolling for other evaluations (ADD, depression, etc.).
It would put your son on notice that the adults in his school life are aware and all on the same page.

...and in case you're wondering about my qualifications: I've been a teacher for 7 years and worked as an aide in special education for about 3 years. Hang tight.

LEOPARDFLAN

Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:02 AM

I really can't add anything to what the others above me have said... Just hang in there, follow their excellent advice, and you should come out all right.

And does anyone know how to make yourself ignore a person's hurtful comments? I'm trying, but it isn't working out too well...

ZEEK

Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:47 AM

The way I get over hurtful comments is to realize I don't respect the person making the comments. I don't really value the opinions of jerks or idiots. If someone's trying to be hurtful they're probably a jerk.

So, dollhouse...what did you guys think? I thought the episode was ok but I don't see where echo's character is going. She gets wiped all the time right? Seems like everyone around her that might be kind of interesting. Who's wondering if some of the people we've met are programmed and don't know it? Like the handler, the boss lady, even the cop investigating them. Seems like a potential twist that's coming up. Obviously I'll keep watching, but I hope it's not just a procedural.

FREELANCERTEX

Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by LeopardFlan:
I really can't add anything to what the others above me have said... Just hang in there, follow their excellent advice, and you should come out all right.

And does anyone know how to make yourself ignore a person's hurtful comments? I'm trying, but it isn't working out too well...

uh oh what happened ><

speaking of updates, how's your friend? :\

WHITEFALL

Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:56 PM

I saw Dollhouse, frankly I loved it, as pilots go. I'm really excited. But the whole point of Echo's character from Day 1 (from the original original premise) was that she is slowly going to start remembering stuff. So her arc is very different, but it'll be there.

Next week, I think, is supposed to be the original pilot, so that'll be exposition heavy I suppose, I'm waiting until the third episode before saying what it'll be week to week.

As for the homework doing issue... I can't say I have anything to add except... don't give up on him. My eldest sister stopped doing a lot of her homework in 7th grade or so, and she... well it complicated her life a good deal. And it always hurt me that she wouldn't listen to me, and my parents sort of... stopped trying. It was always an issue, but my sister kept avoiding a lot of her work for most of high school. From my own experiences, when I considered not doing my homework and such it was because I didn't see a point in the work, or in grades or book-learning. But I enjoyed getting good grades, still do. Sort of a self-justification thing. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon.

"All love is unrequited... All of it." -Susan Ivanova, Babylon 5

MSA

Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:46 PM

HUSG LF usually I try to figure out what problem in their life motivated the hurtful comment. Ignoring it is really hard though...just remember we love you

I did like Dollhouse, but it felt incomplete and I am sure the full episode Joss intended is much more...

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

LEOPARDFLAN

Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:13 PM

Well, what happened specifically is that mom called me fat and is putting me on a diet ((and normally it wouldn't hurt so bad except I really don't think I'm getting fat >_<)), and that really hurt, so... yeah

MSA

Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:24 PM

Ok sweety I have totally been exactly there. I finally had to realize that my mom ( and probably yours) have issues of their own. They equate being skinny ( unnaturally skinny) with being popular and good so they push you toward it because they think if it would make them happy it would make you happy. I'd ask your mom to go with you to the doctor have the doctor weigh you and decide if weight loss is in order and have the doctor ( if for some odd reason he thinks you need to diet) set up a nutrition plan for you. Mom's are not health professionals.... hopefully that will get your mom off your back Plus it'll shut your mom up big time when the doctor says there's nothing wrong with your weight. What's she going to say " the doctor says you're healthy but I want you to lose more weight and be unhealthy?"

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:23 PM

OH MY GOD JOSS WHEDON GRADUATED FROM WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY????????????? Unless there's another wesleyan in the country, that college is about five miles from my HOUSE. WTF BATMAN O_O

MSA

Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:31 PM

There's only one Wesleyan.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:48 PM

thats crazy :P wtf was he doing going to wesleyan? *i know, going to college, but around here most people dont even consider that school as an option*

SOLARFLARE

Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:54 PM

Wow. Thanks for the awesome response guys - especially MSA. I'll talk to my wife about your suggestions. There's no giving up here. He's too important.

Anyway, I found Dollhouse intriguing. And it's Joss, so I'm going to watch it. But it's odd, so I worry that it will get cancelled.

MSA

Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:14 PM

No worries and like I said I've more info and help if you need it. Just PM or email me:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

LEOPARDFLAN

Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:55 PM

MsA, that is a totally awesome plan, except for one tiny little detail... no money. Unless someone in our family actually gets sick (as in, phnemonia), doctor visits are waaaaaaay down on the priority list. I'll just deal with it and ignore her, I've been doing alot better about listening to my friends about my apperance, so... yeah. Thanks, though! ^_^

MSA

Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:38 PM

Try this instead LF
http://dietbites.com/article1023.html
There's a chart with hight and weight and basically explains where you should be .( make sure to identify your frame size first)
'cause I always thought I had a small frame and it turns out I have a medium frame so my weight is different
Here's how to know your frame. If you're right handed take your right hand and wrap your fingers around your wrist close to where it joins your hand. If the fingers overlap you have a small frame. If they touch it's medium frame if they don't touch you have a large frame.
Show it to her... boom you prove you are just fine!!
To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

MSA

Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:42 AM

NVG here:

Dollhouse- Cool but a little on the choppy side. Already like watching Train Job before getting to watch the Serenity pilot first. Seems IF they show the pilot at all it will be better than the first episode we get to watch. Things like that turn off the casual watcher from the get-go. Seems we've run into this issue before...

As for the premise, I've seen this in a few other places before. My favorite was Gunslinger Girl. The Dollhouse members aren't exactly robots, but they ain't far from either. Time will tell...

Okay, favorite line from a current show:

We've been watching Leverage in TNT and it has been a while since I've like a show to this degree (since Vengeance Unlimited in fact). The episode we recorded featured the line, "What smells like crank and screams like a girl?", uttered by one of the heroes before he pummels three hostage taking speed freaks by hand. T'was awesome and shit. Must watch.

MUST

WATCH

NOW!!!

MAO!

(slapslap)

MAO!

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

LEOPARDFLAN

Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:44 PM

Thank you MsA!! ^_^ ^_^

MSA

Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:54 PM

HUGS Sure sweety:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Monday, February 16, 2009 3:00 PM

r u finally ungrounded RF? or still studying :P good to see you around more often ^_^

SOLARFLARE

Monday, February 16, 2009 7:43 PM

Okay, so we've talked to the school counselor this morning, and it looks like she's going to work with the teachers to help my son with his homework issues. It also sounded like she had a talk with him that helped him get out some things that were bothering him.

Anyway, we're going to give this a couple of weeks and then see how he's doing. Thanks guys!

MSA

Monday, February 16, 2009 7:51 PM

That's great!! Hang in there Solar it'll get better

Ok so how has everyone's weekend been?? I so so love 3 day weekends. We've had a really nice time:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Monday, February 16, 2009 7:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
That's great!! Hang in there Solar it'll get better

Ok so how has everyone's weekend been?? I so so love 3 day weekends. We've had a really nice time:)

my employer is holiday challenged. My two day weekend was OK though.

MSA

Monday, February 16, 2009 8:28 PM

Oh that bites on the no 3 day Zeek...but I am glad you had a nice weekend.
Do anything fun?

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Monday, February 16, 2009 8:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Oh that bites on the no 3 day Zeek...but I am glad you had a nice weekend.
Do anything fun?

Not particularly. Just had lots of time to do stuff I wanted to. Watched Dollhouse obviously. Played a bunch of videogames. Played some poker and ended up ahead (which is always nice). Started catching up on the Angel comics. It started out slow but I'm starting to get sucked in.

MSA

Monday, February 16, 2009 9:34 PM

I sometimes like the productive weekends.... but then I need a downtime weekend after that. It's was a crazy busy week last week ad will be this week as well

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

MSA

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:51 PM

bumpin.....need more medicinal sleep!!!

Morning all:)

So here's a ponder... how long do you keep helping someone who is obviously resistant. It's my job to assist teachers in developing skills to deal with their classes, but I am currently dealing with 2 people who respond to my instructions with maybe, I'll think about it, and I'm not sure.... now the thing is they are both in serious trouble with their principals and if they don't do what I say and get functional at their jobs, they will be fired( they both are aware of this)....and yet they still seem clueless or like they think it's unfair they have to meet the basic requirements of their job description..... so how long should I try to help them???

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:19 PM

I would think you should help until they get fired. How long will they really last if they don't shape up? Especially if this is your job. I don't think you should stop doing your job just because you don't think it's going anywhere. Do you need to cover your ass in case they do get fired? Will it reflect poorly on you?

Now for my weird question. So, there's a girl I've had a crush on but she's never lived anywhere near me. I've mentioned her before. I don't think I've seen her in like a year and a half. Anyway I got on an email with a long list of other people asking for updated contact info like my address. The friend I know her through thinks it's some automated thing cause she got the same message verbatim sent to her email and facebook. So, do I ignore the note and look like a jerk if she really does need my info for something or do I respond and look weird for sending my contact info to someone I'm a slight acquaintance with?

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:54 PM

I see it more as keeping a line open. Regardless, they are still people you have had contact with and we all need those daily links in our lives.

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

ZEEK

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:25 PM

Yeah I decided it's probably smarter to reply. Better to look like a dope responding to something unnecessarily than to look like I don't want any line of communication.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:06 PM

Kinda slow around here today. What's everyone up to?

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

MSA

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:12 PM

work... LOL

NV

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

RALLEM

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Sleep is nice, but I have gotten to feel like I'm missing stuff by sleeping too much.

Previous Thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=36680&m=675893#675893

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

Are you facing depression issues? I know that I am fighting depression and one of my symptoms is that I sleep too much and can not get the energy to face the day.

As far as the country making the mistake by not teaching its children to cook, raise a garden, and start a fire, shouldn't that be a parent's responsibility?

http://www.swyzzlestyx.com/index.html

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:54 PM

Actually I might not be sleeping enough. It just feels like I miss a bunch when I sleep.

Though I do usually get a bit depressed this time of year.

I think she may have something in that quote. The state of the country hasn't really been conducive to basic living skills for a while. All the political correctness and pussy posturing has kind of left more kids without those things. It is more important to work a microwave and open a packged food than to get the food from its actual source. I know a ton of kids who can do those things. But it seems their numbers have dropped significantly over time. Sucks. Not all kids cook meth, grow pot, or burn down peoples homes for fun and/or profit.

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DANCINGNEKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
So here's a ponder... how long do you keep helping someone who is obviously resistant. It's my job to assist teachers in developing skills to deal with their classes, but I am currently dealing with 2 people who respond to my instructions with maybe, I'll think about it, and I'm not sure.... now the thing is they are both in serious trouble with their principals and if they don't do what I say and get functional at their jobs, they will be fired( they both are aware of this)....and yet they still seem clueless or like they think it's unfair they have to meet the basic requirements of their job description..... so how long should I try to help them???

Dunno if you've thought of it this way (paradigm shift): Help them as long as possible, but look/treat them as if they're your students (only older). I have a feeling that they're feeling overwhelmed and drowning with everything they have to do. Plus, at this point in the game (middle of the year), I'm pretty sure that they feel like some of their students -- failing; with no hope; and only criticisms coming in about how they're not good enough, smart enough, doing things fast enough, etc. (not that you're doing that, I'm looking at it from their point of view).
I know it sounds kinda stupid, but have you told them what they're doing right along with what they need to improve? Maybe work at things from that angle?
Just a couple of thoughts that come to mind...
*hugs*

MSA

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:11 PM

HUGS Neko thanks and I wish I could be confident, but I have been working with them for months. One is still calling students " maggots' refusing to give them work on their level and verbally abusing them and other staff. The other has decided it's play time and lets them play games, watch tv and rough house and despite months and months with them I cannot get them to let me help ( I offered to set up classes, review files so they don't have to, do lesson plans for them, provide them curriculum, train them on one of any 5 behavior plans... their choice, etc) I can't get them to accept that they have to have lesson plans, they have to do the legally required accommodations, they need to have some kind of rules and discipline, and they have to be polite and positive with kids... I'm just not sure how much more I can do. And yes I provide them with 3 positive comments for every 1 suggestion fro improvement and I carefully word it to be neutral ...for example. It's important to have a science assignment that they can read. Here are 3 different books you can use to do that. It's great that you want them to know all this material, but it is over their reading level. I am sure they will be more successful using one of the textbooks I gave you.

Oh and one mroe thing... they aren't new teachers. They have held teaching jobs before ( one has been fired in 5 states .... the other was in one position then transferred to an easier job, then transferred to an even easier job... not that any teaching job is ever easy, but still as simple as we can make it)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

DANCINGNEKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:41 PM

ACK!
Okay, that's a whole different ball of wax. (How in the gorram 'verse did they stay on...scratch that, nevermind.)
Maggots?!?! Where does he think he is? Bootcamp and he's the drill instructor? And playtime only?! *shudder*
With that in mind, I vote do as much as you can, and document the rest. Everyone knows what's going on and that you're doing your due dilligence.
*wonders if there's a legal way to dump honey over these "teachers" and tie them onto a fire-ant hill*

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:11 PM

another end to a long day.

Ponder: if you nor your significant other really don't feel like cooking, but you're both really hungry, what should you do for food? (dont have many takeout options nearby)

WAKEUPSOON

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:22 PM

Something quick and easy ... or even take the student route (ie unbelievably simple: beans on toast, scrambled egg, supernoodles, cereal ... )

^.^

This is not my signature, I have to write this every time I post.

Smile && Nod, it makes it seem like you know what's going on.

ZEEK

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
another end to a long day.

Ponder: if you nor your significant other really don't feel like cooking, but you're both really hungry, what should you do for food? (dont have many takeout options nearby)

Rock, Paper, Scissors. Best 2 out of 3. No whinning allowed from the loser.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:59 AM

ooooh, rock paper scissors, or rock paper scissors lizard spock? O_o hmmmmm........

MSA

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:17 AM

whine and look soulful. Maybe he'll get take out...just kidding

Spaghetti... boil noodles, nuke sauce...eat!!

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:27 PM

lol, whining doesn't work with him. the only thing pouting makes him do is laugh because apparently I look silly when I do it :P

yeah he was being picky and didn't feel like pasta @_@ so we ended up opting for pizza. pasta tonight i'm guessin.

SOLARFLARE

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:31 PM

Maggots?!? Wow. You know, some people just aren't meant to be teachers.

I feel for you, though. I mean, here you are wanting to help. And, really, they're not worth helping. (And I really hate that I just wrote that.)

Unless you think you can really *reach* these people (and maybe you can), I would suggest documenting everything you do to help them and documenting all of the horrible things they say and do with their students and other faculty.

Really, though, getting these people to do lesson plans (or whatever required tasks) does not address what seems to be the core of their problems: their contempt for others. If you can help them get over that, then the rest of it becomes easy. But, then, that's probably not what you signed up for.

ZEEK

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:36 PM

So, as an incentive to resign my lease my apartment complex offers one free carpet cleaning. I resigned and the cleaning is scheduled for this morning. I'm going to have to lock the kitty in the bathroom and since I know she won't like it I'm working from home. I've got the bathroom set up with my computer chair, a dinner table chair (so I can put my feet up), cat food dispenser, cat water dish, cat litter box, cat bed, my laptop and it's cord running across the sink. If the cleaners don't laugh at this ridiculousness I'll be amazed.

MSA

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:39 PM

Zeek you just brightened my day....LOL the mental image of you hunched over your computer in the bathroom with kitty freaking out at your feet...priceless!!
So where are you moving to?

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Zeek you just brightened my day....LOL the mental image of you hunched over your computer in the bathroom with kitty freaking out at your feet...priceless!!
So where are you moving to?

Not moving. I signed a new 12 month lease so they're washing the carpet as an incentive to keep me here. Last time I resigned they put in a ceiling fan (that I've used maybe twice).

I actually got to choose from a list of like 3 things. Carpet cleaning, vertical blinds by the patio doors (I already put some up on my own), or a maid service visit. I'd just feel bad for the maid service. I don't know what they'd do with all the clutter all over the place. Either they'd clean around it (what's the point of that) or they'd have to throw it all in a pile or something. I don't really like either option there. So, carpets it is...if they ever show up.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:30 PM

I need to rent a carpet cleaner soon. The owners put in a beige colored carpet that just shows every bit of stuff possible. Sucks.

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ZEEK

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:47 PM

OK I know it's only February but I think it's time to call it. Do over on 2009! This year is one big pile of suck and the outlook is not good.

The cleaners still have not showed up. The first time I called the office they said they were a couple hours behind. Fine my cleaning was supposed to be for the morning but what do I care if it's early afternoon. Um...it's 4:45 and nothing. Not even a call from the office with an update. They didn't answer the phone when I called back. I'll walk over there before they close if I don't get anything out of them. Plus they left a little love note on my door this afternoon complaining about my satellite dish AGAIN! I cleared this with them twice already. First time they left a note like this and again before I signed my new lease. Both times they said it was not a problem and they wouldn't bother me again. Grrrrr!

MSA

Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:39 AM

Zeek...landlords suck!!! I am currently embittered over mine so I say we go out win the lottery and then move without giving notice!!

NV

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:08 PM

I'm all for it.

So, here's a ponder for you guys. My brother and I are trying to think through what to do about a trip my Dad has his heart set on. He really wants us to fly out to New York and then drive to Washington DC to meet his relatives out there. I'm 28 and my brother is 31. If we haven't met these people by now how much do you think we care about them? That's right, zip. Yet he really wants us to go because his aunt somethingorother is like 91 and on death's door and he wants us to meet her at least once. She's got alzheimer's already and I can't imagine either of us will get much out of this meeting. So, really we're trying to figure out how to make this the least painful experience. We don't want to spend a ton of money or a ton of vacation on this cause we don't care about it. We also don't want to set a precedent that we're ever going on trips like this again. We are not going to this lady's funeral and we're not going to random people's weddings or anything like that. If we do this it's a one time shot. Is there any good way to break that to my Dad?

NAVYSEILS

Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:36 PM

Couldn't you just say to your dad what you said to us there, but perhaps word it a little different? Your reasons seem fair enough, just being honest about it up front might be a good option. Just keep it plain and simple.

ZEEK

Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:46 PM

Well the problem there is my Dad is pretty much crazy. He's not my favorite person ever. My parents got divorced 21 years ago and he's still bitter about it and blames my mom for a ton of the problems in his life. The rest he blames on the government and his brother. He's a gianormous loser and really me and my brother are about the only bright spots in his life. My older brother is more sympathetic toward him than I am. If I told my Dad that I really don't care about his side of the family he'd get pretty upset and emotional and then my brother would be upset with me. I'd rather have a decent relationship with my brother so I'm trying to play nice.

I hate playing nice when it means my time and money are going to get blown on stuff I don't want to do. Anyway that's why I'm trying to find the best way to play nice and reduce the time and money investment. No easy task huh?

SOLARFLARE

Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:53 PM

Given that you really don't want to go and you're not all that close to your dad, you could just explain that you can't get away from work and/or don't have the money to make the trip. He and your brother should be able to understand that.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:18 PM

That sounds exactly like what is going on and they should be made aware. on one hand the truth sucks and on the other hand the truth sucks.

Seems you are just kinda stuck with the truth. No point in causing any further problems.

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MSA

Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:14 PM

Hmm actually I'd go the other route and say would it really kill you to meet people that you may not have had connection with before , but maybe meeting them will help you better understand your dad. Seriously it won't kill you to spend a few days getting to know someone if it makes your dad that happy and is that important to you. Maybe you'll find that you do connect with one. If not hey you got to see DC and made your dad really happy. I can see you really don't seem to enjoy your dad and I am sure he's got major problems, but at least he stayed around and tried to be part of your life:) You can always decline later invitations but at least you gave it a shot. You can even tell your dad that. You went you tried and it wasn't for you

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

MSA

Friday, February 20, 2009 3:13 PM

ok I really wish I was asleep now... stupid brain!!

NV yes yes I know Christmas ...Decemeber 25th.. giggle

now off to get ready and then go act as an aide for 4 hours...yay

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Friday, February 20, 2009 4:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
ok I really wish I was asleep now

Me too. Stupid work. I think I'll probably end up taking your advice MsA. Though I'll be a cranky Zeek for a while. For the record there's about zero chance I'll have a good time on this trip. It's already going to be shot in the foot because I'm a cheap cheap bastard. Spending money on plane ticket and hotels and food and whatever else is digging a deep hole for this trip to get out of.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, February 20, 2009 5:54 PM

Sad day. A few bad things in my familys past, but what's worse is the end of The Adam Carolla Show. I've always enjoyed Adam and his outlook on many things. Seems things always change but not always for the best.

He will be podcasting a show on AdamCarolla.com on Monday if anyone is interested.

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, February 20, 2009 8:18 PM

BUMP

Just because

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-Loretta Lynn

ZEEK

Friday, February 20, 2009 9:02 PM

Who's not looking forward to a new episode of Dollhouse tonight?

I'll watch it of course but I'm not excited at all.

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, February 20, 2009 9:12 PM

..sarcasm....?

ZEEK

Friday, February 20, 2009 9:54 PM

Nah really not excited. The first episode really hasn't stuck with me at all. I'm not on the edge of my seat. I'm just bleh.

It's not like when Buffy premiered that one time and I rushed through a math exam to make it home to see it. I rushed so fast I got a problem down to a simple 2x + 2 = y where x was 1 and I answered 3. I got 2+2 wrong for Buffy. lol I did not do well on that exam.

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, February 20, 2009 10:40 PM

i blame fox @_@ they fuck with everything and always end up screwing it royal. watched the first few minutes of the first ep and gotta admit it seemed a little dry ><

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