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USA was 3 hrs away from Economic, Political Collapse... last Sept.

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RUE
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:51 PM

"Canada sucks ..."

Straight up - you've been there for more than a week ? 'Cause I think you're just spouting stuff you've heard and of which don't really know anything about.

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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:34 PM

They tried Socialism on a National scale years ago.

In Germany.

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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:42 PM

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Ever been to a housing project? Would you want to live there? Thats socialism. Thats where it leads.



Ever been to a newly-remodeled $1.2 million dollar Wall Street office? Would you want to work there? That's socialism. That's where it leads.



Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
They tried Socialism on a National scale years ago.

In Germany.


Nope, that was totalitarian fascism. They called themselves socialists, but that was to get the workers on board. They were in fact rather right wing, which is possibly why so many American business leaders were pro Nazi.

You see, sometimes people say things about themselves that aren't true. For instance the Democratic Republic of Congo, which is neither Democratic nor a Republic. I wouldn't worry about it, lost of people get confused about stuff like that.



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RUE
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:56 PM

"They tried Socialism on a National scale years ago."

I take by your evasion of the question your answer is no - you've never been to Canada, Denmark, Sweden or indeed ANY 'socialist' country. In other words, you are, once again, posting out of ignorance.

And all b/c you can't some up with one good and accurate thing to say about capitalism.

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KPO
Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:00 AM

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you've never been to Canada, Denmark, Sweden or indeed ANY 'socialist' country


I thought that socialism was essentially collective ownership of the means of production. In all the countries you've listed industry is predominantly in private control...

Can you explain your definition of socialism?


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RUE
Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:13 AM

Which is why I put 'socialism' in quotes - since all of the naysayers bray that government healthcare is 'socialism', public transport is 'socialism', public day care and schooling is 'socialism', government housing assistance is 'socialism', minimum standard of living is 'socialism', parental leave is 'socialism', unions are 'socialism' ... and so on. HEE HAAWwww ...

But if you want to quibble, I'll use a different word. What do you suggest ?

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Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:21 AM

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I'll use a different word. What do you suggest ?


Non-collapsing?

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Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:07 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
As for the money I pulled out of the bank - it's in a ahem SAFE place not at home.



I wanted to stash some cash too, but cannot think of a safe place. So let me discuss my options on the internet...

1. Withdraw $x and there's a paper trail and any evil chucklehead at the bank can see it. And they have my address and it's gone..

2. Coffee can in the back yard - neighbor sees and it's gone.

3. Basement and I have to worry about it + house burns down and it's gone.

4. Safe deposit box in a bank and they say "don't store cash here - we won't insure." I suspect that's because they want you to just put it in your savings account so they can lose it, er, invest it, but still, uninsured and it's gone.

I still don't have a good place, just rolling the dice and I don't like that either. It feels like a bad movie waiting to happen.

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KPO
Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:11 AM

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Which is why I put 'socialism' in quotes - since all of the naysayers bray that government healthcare is 'socialism', public transport is 'socialism', public day care and schooling is 'socialism', government housing assistance is 'socialism', minimum standard of living is 'socialism', parental leave is 'socialism', unions are 'socialism' ... and so on. HEE HAAWwww ...

But if you want to quibble, I'll use a different word. What do you suggest ?



Right, I thought the inverted commas were there for a sneaky reason :-p

Answering your Q, I've heard the term 'soft socialism' used to describe european countries before, which I think is more pardonable since it makes a distinction.

Here is my economic understanding (tho I'm no expert): I imagine the countries you listed as running on capitalist engines, while being weighed down by quite hefty social welfare programmes.

So I don't see how any of their economic success could be credited to socialism, since the only aspect of these countries that is (vaguely) socialistic is an economic burden.

Are you guys all still waiting for an exemplary, purely socialist, model state that you can hail as a success? Because a lot of times people have got hold of countries and tried to create one... I'd be interested to know how you account for quite a long catalogue of failures.



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