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Kaylee's sexuality. Was it toned down?

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INSTANTKARMAGIRL

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:36 PM

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The Simon/River incest scene was deleted after all.

Okay, hate to sound dumb, but I gotta know. What exactly *is* the S/R incest scene?

'Cause either my brain isn't working and I can't remember at the moment, or I just truly don't know.

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"How come you're flying about with us brigands? I mean, shouldn't you be off bringing religiosity to the Fuzzie-Wuzzies or some such?"~Cap'n Mal

PHYRELIGHT

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:55 PM

I don't think Kaylee's sexuality was toned down. Rather, it was one of those things that was left unexplored because the show was canceled so soon. Remember that she also spent most of her time in the black with a preacher, a married fella, a doctor that has to relax for 30 seconds to get his play (and that would be more or less a miracle), a captain with intimacy issues, aaaand Jayne.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:02 PM

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Originally posted by InstantKarmaGirl:
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The Simon/River incest scene was deleted after all.

Okay, hate to sound dumb, but I gotta know. What exactly *is* the S/R incest scene?

'Cause either my brain isn't working and I can't remember at the moment, or I just truly don't know.

In a deleted scene from 'Our Mrs Reynolds', River gets a bit more.... confused, and asks if Shepard Book could marry her and Simon. She has a pillow tucked up under her shirt, suggesting she's knocked up w/ Simon's child.

Yeah.

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PHYRELIGHT

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:11 PM

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Okay, hate to sound dumb, but I gotta know. What exactly *is* the S/R incest scene?

'Cause either my brain isn't working and I can't remember at the moment, or I just truly don't know.

The scene only really suggests incest when really nothing happens but River being a little crazy again.

For some reason in OMR, River puts a pillow under her shirt and tells Simon that they must get married because she's in "the family way". Simon gets all confused and embarassed, and the others ignore it because... well, it's River. It does introduce the concept that incest does occur in the verse, but by Simon's words, only on pretty bad planets.

If you want to read the script, you can find it here: http://firefly.girven.org/scripts/firefly-103.htm. The scene is about half way down, starting with,

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INT. ROOM/PASSENGER DORM - LATER

Book is making up a room for Saffron...

I hope this helps. I can't find this scene on youtube, but it is on the box set DVDs.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:43 PM

Kaylee is usually hot to trot, but she's no tramp. She just wants someone to tell her she's pretty, and if they get along okay, then she would likely do the deed. The Bester incident may have been as a result of her uncontrollable desire to see a spaceship up close, or maybe it had been a good while since her nethers had been utilized in that manner. Her openness about sex seems a bit of a contradiction to her actions, since she withheld her urges for a long time.

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:42 PM

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she's smart enough to know that it's better to know and like the person you're bumpin' uglies with if both of y'all are going ot be spending long periods of time between planets.

I never said she didn't like him, you mook. I said she clearly *did* like him and care for him. But she never said she was in love with him, only that she had 'carried a torch' for him, which means attraction and affection, but not perfect bliss, want to marry him and bear his children wildly devoted anything. She liked him. They get along. She finds him attractive. Would probably like to have a handsome doctor to give her a regular tumble and tell her she's pretty. But none of that means in love. I'm just sayin'.

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FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:15 PM

Kaylee is kaylee, you can't own her, not in that way, and Simon I think would have come to accept that, begrudingly and not without a bit of snark, but mediated by the obvious possiblity of being roughed up by Zoe if he didn't accept what was.

They'd have had their little fling, gotten it out of their systems and then went on as friends, with her continually perplexing and on occasion embarassing him just as she always does.

The wind needs no excuse, and neither does Kaylee.

S'why we love her, innit ?

-F

INSTANTKARMAGIRL

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:36 PM

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If you want to read the script, you can find it here: http://firefly.girven.org/scripts/firefly-103.htm. The scene is about half way down, starting with,
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I hope this helps. I can't find this scene on youtube, but it is on the box set DVDs.

No, I have the DVDs and now remember watching this scene. I do recall thinking that it was right to take the scene out. I'll have to watch it again, however, it makes me worry because River isn't stupid and typically her words have truth to them, they are just encrypted...

Thanks for joggin' my memory.

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PHYRELIGHT

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:55 AM

Oh, I never thought River was stupid. She may have been reading something in Saffron's past. Heck, she could have also been predicting a future episode where they go to a planet that practices incest. (Ew.)

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:02 AM

Or: she was messing with her brother's head. She does have kind of a morbid sense of humour, and likes to embarrass/horrify him.

Although the speech Simon gives her about incest happening only on really bad planets is very similar to the speech Mal gives Saffron about girls being traded away on Triumph to men who kill them if they're displeased.

And River does seem really concerned about being certain that her brother does love her (though in his case and hers, really really not that way. I hope).